[Gredival]

High base damage if you don't have any hopes of ever getting Mandau... 38 base damage and 200 delay. It's basically Batardaeu -1

http://wiki.ffxiclop...le:Trial009.png




New best offhand. Requires 10 eyes of Verthandi (Tier 3 VNM). If you don't want to / don't have an LS for Voidwalker NMs then you can get still get a Double Attack dagger, but it won't have 31 base damage, only 18.

http://wiki.ffxiclop...le:Trial012.png




Possible Blau replacement. Dex+4 and Acc+3 and a higher rank vs. 16 Attack

http://wiki.ffxiclop...le:Trial033.png



TL;DR -- New best dagger combo without Mandau is X's Knife / Athame-Trial12. With Mandau is Mandau / Athame-Trial12.

This post has been edited by Gredival: 24 March 2010 - 02:58 PM

[Raldo]

Images, because I hate having to click on links, the image function is there for a reason...

Dagger 1:


Dagger 2:


Dagger 3:


Seeing as how I don't run around with a linkshell anymore, I wonder which of these daggers is attainable with 3 or fewer peoples' assistance.

This post has been edited by Raldo: 25 March 2010 - 07:56 AM

[Shadowmeld]

Gredival, on 24 March 2010 - 02:46 PM, said:

High base damage if you don't have any hopes of ever getting Mandau... 38 base damage and 200 delay. It's basically Batardaeu -1

http://wiki.ffxiclop...le:Trial009.png




New best offhand. Requires 10 eyes of Verthandi (Tier 3 VNM). If you don't want to / don't have an LS for Voidwalker NMs then you can get still get a Double Attack dagger, but it won't have 31 base damage, only 18.

http://wiki.ffxiclop...le:Trial012.png




Possible Blau replacement. Dex+4 and Acc+3 and a higher rank vs. 16 Attack

http://wiki.ffxiclop...le:Trial033.png



TL;DR -- New best dagger combo without Mandau is X's Knife / Athame-Trial12. With Mandau is Mandau / Athame-Trial12.

As for the possible blau replacement, you left out in favor of the new dagger +1 base damage, and you left out in favor of blau ~6.3% lower delay. I would go so far as to say, blau would probably still win, but it will be close.

Best combo without Mandau is now Blau/Athame-Trial 12. X's Knife loses handily to blau in DoT, and the bonus to crit isn't as pronounced as it might seem when you lose the +16 atk from Blau on it.

[Gredival]

Raldo, on 25 March 2010 - 07:55 AM, said:

Seeing as how I don't run around with a linkshell anymore, I wonder which of these daggers is attainable with 3 or fewer peoples' assistance.

You need 10 eyes of Verthandi for the double attack dagger if you want the DMG on it too. That requires at least 12 people. You can get it without the damage with a small group.


And I didn't want to hotlink off FFXIclopedia's bandwidth.

This post has been edited by Gredival: 25 March 2010 - 06:24 PM

[XyonBlade]

Looks like there is also a 4 agi 12 eva dagger available too, new best or second best for eva set?

[Shamaya]

Summon the Arivale light so he can masturbate.

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Seeing as how I don't run around with a linkshell anymore, I wonder which of these daggers is attainable with 3 or fewer peoples' assistance.

I'm tempted to say you can. I don't have an LS anymore either, and I can see myself gettin this shizz done. All of the questline for all the new daggers involves camping easy NM's or just spam-killing exp-giving fodder mobs. The only real difficult thing are the Eyes of Verthamdi, which are only for the Occ.Atk.2x dagger. However, I can confirm that Tier1 and Tier2 NM's are safely duoable with non-retarded players. Verthandi is T3, but IMO you can just do shout pickups for it. As long as you are a good leader and have decent social skills (your personal skills and nobody elses), you should be able to get it done. You'll only be taking the eyes, and the other drops include a Chr+6 ring, a cure potency +2/3% torque (or the matt for it) and synth matts. Should be able to get people I think. Long quest though.

[Gredival]

Worth throwing out here that you can get multiple eyes off one Verthandi. I'd say about 11 competent people can do it.

[Shamaya]

Just did Verthandi with 10 friends/pickups, first time for all of us. Seemed like a 20-30 min fight, using Smn and Rng for DD. Tried a Nin/Drk tank but it was a mistake due to the silence move the mob has. Took me 11 tier2's before my abyssite converted to allow me to fight Verthandi, and all we got off the mob was a manticore hide... lame. Been playing with the math at alla, and it looks like the O.A.T. dagger is kinda like a Sirroco+1. ~3% faster TP gain (that's it, believe it or not), ~10% more DoT. I'd love to offhand it instead of Blau but I'm just not sure. Well hell, I can at least use it for situations where I'm skillchaining with a sam on something that Ridill would suck to TP with.

This post has been edited by Shamaya: 27 March 2010 - 10:37 PM

[Gredival]

Shamaya, on 27 March 2010 - 10:36 PM, said:

Just did Verthandi with 10 friends/pickups, first time for all of us. Seemed like a 20-30 min fight, using Smn and Rng for DD. Tried a Nin/Drk tank but it was a mistake due to the silence move the mob has. Took me 11 tier2's before my abyssite converted to allow me to fight Verthandi, and all we got off the mob was a manticore hide... lame. Been playing with the math at alla, and it looks like the O.A.T. dagger is kinda like a Sirroco+1. ~3% faster TP gain (that's it, believe it or not), ~10% more DoT. I'd love to offhand it instead of Blau but I'm just not sure. Well hell, I can at least use it for situations where I'm skillchaining with a sam on something that Ridill would suck to TP with.

It's really only 3% faster?

How does it hold up vs. X's in either X/Blau or Mandau/X?

This post has been edited by Gredival: 29 March 2010 - 04:44 PM

[Konda]

In all honestly, I think the dual evasion daggers are the best thing for thf out of this update.

I dont see the dex one beating blau, nevermind x's.

DA one has yet to tested, so it's hard to jump to any conclusions on it. depending on how the occationally attacks twice works, it could either be shit or fucking awesome.

The Damage 38 one looks very good for people without an x's knife. I'd sooner take 4 base damage over 4dex. (I know this ignores the Acc on the +dex one, but food and other equipment can compensate for that).

[Ezell]

seems to me it's still going to be a X's/Blau world. Simply due to the ACC and ATK bonus from Blau. the loss of ACC from the other dagger can be made up with food. I like the 38 Base DMG dagger. That is really nice. I'd use that /WAR or /SAM or /DRK and use it to SA/TA+WS. Than don't have to worry about TP spaming to keep base DMG high on the dagger. and the extra 4 base DMG would off set the 10% gain on crit hits from X's.

The x2 atk dagger could be hot. Wonder if it will be like Joy toy and have a 50% rate. That would make the TP gain on that thing sick!

Also Hey Mir CAt! Miss ya!

[Gredival]

Ezell, on 05 April 2010 - 09:50 PM, said:

seems to me it's still going to be a X's/Blau world. Simply due to the ACC and ATK bonus from Blau. the loss of ACC from the other dagger can be made up with food. I like the 38 Base DMG dagger. That is really nice. I'd use that /WAR or /SAM or /DRK and use it to SA/TA+WS. Than don't have to worry about TP spaming to keep base DMG high on the dagger. and the extra 4 base DMG would off set the 10% gain on crit hits from X's.

The x2 atk dagger could be hot. Wonder if it will be like Joy toy and have a 50% rate. That would make the TP gain on that thing sick!

Also Hey Mir CAt! Miss ya!

It's about as much as a joytoy.

[Shamaya]

40% non-jailer double attack. It turns out to be about equal for TP gain as Sirocco (for blau/nin w/ 3%DW ACP, suppa, and 13 storeTP), while having a bit higher DPS, about ~5%. Surprising I know, but true.

[Serpent]

anyone finish any daggers yet? i was wondering as to what would be best: blau/athame, kartika/blau, or kartika/athame.. price of blau on my server has dropped drastically lately

[Gredival]

Serpent, on 10 April 2010 - 10:16 PM, said:

anyone finish any daggers yet? i was wondering as to what would be best: blau/athame, kartika/blau, or kartika/athame.. price of blau on my server has dropped drastically lately

I've seen a lot of absolutely atrocious THFs doing the quest so that's probably fueling the decline. Lots of THFs who shouldn't be getting rid of Blau probably are

[Kalima]

I just finished the DMG+9 Delay-5 DEX+4 acc+8 Dakini and on the last trial for the STR+4 att+12 one. These are mostly for fulltiming on my DNC but will see very situational uses on THF. (mostly the acc one with blau in very low acc situations)

Got the first trial done on both my evasion Dakini's too...should be done with those in about a week-ish

[Gredival]

Mini-Ridill or Higher Base damage? WHO WINS?!



Parazonium, DMG 20, Delay 211


Magian Augment 1: Occasionally attacks 2-3 times
Magian Augment 2: DMG+13, Occasionally attacks twice



There's also a mainhand version with 41 DMG and Double Attack +7

This post has been edited by Gredival: 23 June 2010 - 04:45 PM

[Banter]

OA3

[pathwriter]

The low damage rating on the Ursine Claws that occasionally attacks 2-3 times actually makes it inferior to the high damage occasionally attacks twice version. That's a 19 point difference in damage, for reference.

Why is he mentioning Monk? Mostly because Monk and Thief have roughly similar mechanics. The big difference is that more of Thief damage comes from stacking their weaponskills. I would recommend someone take a good look at TP gain versus Sneak Attack and Trick Attack timers, assuming whatever is relevant in terms of merited recast reductions. If you're pulling down more than ~200 TP a minute under whatever qualifies as normal buffs for you, then you are probably better off going with the occasionally attacks twice version with higher damage.