[kensuke]

For guillitine (sp) WS what are the top bodies to use?

Ebody, ares, haub+1, shadow ,hecatomb?

I currently only have heca and. Nq haub and was curious which would be better.

Current ws set up as follows,

perdu
polegrip
bomb core
heca cap
pcc
brutal
assault earring
haub/heca?
AF+1 hands
black jse legs forget name; ;
heca leggings
warwolf/potent?
Forgers
woodsman/ flame ring. Might get rajas back

thanks.

This post has been edited by kensuke: 02 April 2010 - 04:47 PM

[Saeunn]

I would say
Ebody > Ares > Hauberk+1 > Heca > Hauberk NQ > Shadow

For your gear Switch out the bomb core for a Fire Bomblet, Also do AMKD addon and get the WS head, not sure but i think its better then Heca cap, Stick to the potent belt and finally. Yes get your Rajas back. The rest is ok.

[Vawtwee]

Ebody > Nocturnus Mail > Ares with AMK helmet > Haub+1 > Haub/Heca > Shadow

[Taint]

Ebody then it gets way to situational.

[Vawtwee]

Iunno about that. Nocturnus Mail is near identical to ebody, - the attack; I'd probably use that in almost every situation if I didn't have ebody. Cept right now ebody is easier to obtain than that piece.

[Taint]

If you don't have E noct isn't bad but you could build around ares or shadow with more str and att.

Vawtwee, on 05 April 2010 - 09:42 AM, said:

Iunno about that. Nocturnus Mail is near identical to ebody, - the attack; I'd probably use that in almost every situation if I didn't have ebody. Cept right now ebody is easier to obtain than that piece.

[Arkanethered]

I was wondering why people are ranking ares so far above shadow... the stats are near identical.

[phantomboner]

Slightly off topic but while were on the subject...
I have a hauberk for tp/ws and don't see myself making any significant upgrade any time soon, i am about to get my hands on the MKD helm though.
I was fairly certain the WSacc+25 was the way to go but remember reading a pretty convincing argument for the WSacc+15/Dmg+2% being the better choice even for Guillotine
Is this the case before I augment it, or what situation makes the latter aug best?

[dakpluto]

Arkanethered, on 05 April 2010 - 09:19 PM, said:

I was wondering why people are ranking ares so far above shadow... the stats are near identical.

-2 STR
-3 DEX
-3 MND
+1 Attack

Not even close to being nearly identical.

[Taint]

dakpluto, on 06 April 2010 - 07:35 AM, said:

-2 STR
-3 DEX
-3 MND
+1 Attack

Not even close to being nearly identical.

+6 acc

[Argettio]

phantomboner, on 06 April 2010 - 05:58 AM, said:

Slightly off topic but while were on the subject...
I have a hauberk for tp/ws and don't see myself making any significant upgrade any time soon, i am about to get my hands on the MKD helm though.
I was fairly certain the WSacc+25 was the way to go but remember reading a pretty convincing argument for the WSacc+15/Dmg+2% being the better choice even for Guillotine
Is this the case before I augment it, or what situation makes the latter aug best?

WSacc+15/Dmg+2% is nearly always the best choice. MNK and a few others get more from the 25 acc head but for DRK/WAR/SAM/DRG etc WSacc+15/Dmg+2%.

[firefeng]

Argettio, on 16 April 2010 - 07:25 AM, said:

WSacc+15/Dmg+2% is nearly always the best choice. MNK and a few others get more from the 25 acc head but for DRK/WAR/SAM/DRG etc WSacc+15/Dmg+2%.

Link to maths? Does the 2% apply to every hit or just the first, TP-modded one? What percentage of an ATT increase would you need to match "2% damage"?

[Jazz]

firefeng, on 16 April 2010 - 08:14 AM, said:

Link to maths? Does the 2% apply to every hit or just the first, TP-modded one? What percentage of an ATT increase would you need to match "2% damage"?

The +2% WS dmg is just that, an added 2% to your WS dmg, so say, if you did a 1000 dmg WS, then with the +2% WS dmg you would do a 1020 WS. If you normally do an 800 dmg WS without the +2% ws dmg, then with the +2% ws dmg you will do 816 ws dmg etc... (of course WS dmg varies, but the +2% to WS dmg is just that, a +2% to your WS dmg. )

I had already stated in another thread how/why I prefer the attack+5, STR+4, acc+10, and WSacc+15 option... ( here: http://killingifrit..../page__st__1900 )

Basically I think both are good and really it comes down to if you have DRK/scythe merits(perhaps that person's main job isn't drk so can't put merits on scythe etc.), the rest of your gear, but also most importantly depends on what you tend to fight with your DRK....if all you do is merit and below...than sure get the one with less ACC...you shouldn't be needing more in that case, but it's situational and I think the one with higher acc gives more flexibility. In addition, if it's capping your acc then you can just swap out more acc pieces for even more Attack+ and STR+ pieces for WS. That's my opinion.


Edit: On topic: I think Ebody > Nocturnus Mail > Hauberk +1 > Hauberk >= Heca body (depending on what you're fighting etc.) ...and the rest like Are's and Shadow body etc..are situational can be one of the last in the list to even one of the first depending on what you're fighting, if you have Diabolic eye up etc. etc. it gets too situational like Taint mentioned....

Generally, you should aim for Berk +1 if you don't have Ebody or Noctornus Mail, Are's and other similar bodies can be good too but it's situational.

This post has been edited by Jazz: 16 April 2010 - 01:15 PM

[firefeng]

Jazz, on 16 April 2010 - 12:59 PM, said:

The +2% WS dmg is just that, an added 2% to your WS dmg, so say, if you did a 1000 dmg WS, then with the +2% WS dmg you would do a 1020 WS. If you normally do an 800 dmg WS without the +2% ws dmg, then with the +2% ws dmg you will do 816 ws dmg etc... (of course WS dmg varies, but the +2% to WS dmg is just that, a +2% to your WS dmg. )

I had already stated in another thread how/why I prefer the attack+5, STR+4, acc+10, and WSacc+15 option... ( here: http://killingifrit..../page__st__1900 )

Basically I think both are good and really it comes down to if you have DRK/scythe merits(perhaps that person's main job isn't drk so can't put merits on scythe etc.), the rest of your gear, but also most importantly depends on what you tend to fight with your DRK....if all you do is merit and below...than sure get the one with less ACC...you shouldn't be needing more in that case, but it's situational and I think the one with higher acc gives more flexibility. In addition, if it's capping your acc then you can just swap out more acc pieces for even more Attack+ and STR+ pieces for WS. That's my opinion.


Edit: On topic: I think Ebody > Nocturnus Mail > Hauberk +1 > Hauberk >= Heca body (depending on what you're fighting etc.) ...and the rest like Are's and Shadow body etc..are situational can be one of the last in the list to even one of the first depending on what you're fighting, if you have Diabolic eye up etc. etc. it gets too situational like Taint mentioned....

Generally, you should aim for Berk +1 if you don't have Ebody or Noctornus Mail, Are's and other similar bodies can be good too but it's situational.

That's what I thought. The 5 ATT alone from the ACC +10 augment option is 1% of my base ATT, and coupled with the additional STR/ATT I can equip from dropping ACC in other slots, it should easily churn out more than 2% WS damage on merit-level crap. Not to mention the fact that it makes Guillotine more viable on some shit I wouldn't use it on before because of uncapped ACC issues.

That 2% WS dmg increase would seem like it was only really effective in situations where mobs have paper-thin defense or I'm heavily buffed, like Salvage. Or unless you're eating Pizza in your merit party for some retarded reason (well, it used to be a retarded reason, but then I came back and red curry went from 35k to 100k+ in my absence...).

This post has been edited by firefeng: 16 April 2010 - 02:18 PM

[Vawtwee]

Ironic, because I just asked Kirschy about this the other day. Was contemplating redoing the AMK fight to get the WS damage +2% helm, because I thought it might be better than heca cap with my current gear. This is what she had to say (Kirschy if you're reading this I hope I have your permission to post, lol)

It ends up depending on the fSTR, and how much damage you'll do. Posting every combination would be silly so here's the general rule:

50% of the time MKD helm wins if you do 1,450 damage on guillotine. (the WS DMG+2% would beat the extra STR on Heca Helm)

I've parsed a few well geared DRKs, and 1450 average WS just isn't common for majority of endgame events. (1,000-1,100 is the peak I see.)

Pure damage-wise, heca is going to give you the best return. That being said, the WS Acc+15 is fairly big. It allows you to put STR in other slots easier. There isn't a clear winner imo~


Granted this is assuming you have heca cap. If you didn't I'm pretty sure the AMK helmet would beat out most alternatives, whether it be 4 str 25 acc or 15 acc 4 str and 2% damage.

Back on topic, I did some comparisons involving noct+gear vs ares/shadow+gear, Basically if you can equip all of the sets to have roughly the same accuracy, shadow and ares are going to win because you end up with somewhere between 25 and 30 more attack (which beats out the 5~7 str you gain from using noct and heca cap imo). Shadow actually ends up with more accuracy too, assuming amk helmet with 25 acc (so does ares, actually, by about 5 accuracy). So Taint, looks like you were right, my bad.

As for TP, I have no idea. 1% triple attack, 3 less acc vs 15 attack. Pick your poison I guess.

[Jazz]

Vawtwee, on 16 April 2010 - 02:31 PM, said:

Granted this is assuming you have heca cap. If you didn't I'm pretty sure the AMK helmet would beat out most alternatives, whether it be 4 str 25 acc or 15 acc 4 str and 2% damage.

It's actually str+4, ATTACK+5, and WSacc+25 OR str+4, WSacc+15, and 2% WS dmg... but yeah...

[Vawtwee]

wewps, forgot about the 5 attack on it, lol. Thanks for the correction.