[Cynric_of_Titan]

Geneyus, are you really stating that you think your shell should be able to monopolize one zone. Would you really expect everyone to honor the schedule if next month I scheduled nine sandy's as a 'cash for corsairs' campaign. Until now everyone has been smart enough to not monopolize a particular zone, we should continue that practice. Everyone has members that need a variety of different things, it is not acceptable for you to grab half of the available time slots for yourself. Also, you should realize that as a shell who generally enters later than the rest of us you are more in danger of being pushed around than those of us on the east coast.

This post has been edited by Cynric_of_Titan: 31 March 2010 - 12:25 PM

[GTalbot]

Far be it for me to butt into other people's issues, so let me just say that I'm posting as someone who likes the current system for maintaining the peace, which I feel is especially important since there are so many shells that run on Tues/Sat. So just take my opinion as just that: a third party individual who wants to keep the peace.

So first, I'm just gonna toss out some background about the dynamis scheduling system we use here. Some of this you guys already know and are gonna tell me, "Duh," but that's okay with me.
Dynamis leaders kinda worked out this system around the beginning of '06. Originally, schedules were set to be posted 3 days before the start of the month. It got pushed to 5 days, and then finally to 7 days around Feb/Mar of '07. I think people have been pretty okay with 7 days. You can even see on this month that Kyoma understands the rules and apologized for the variance.
Even back then, or perhaps moreso back then, people used to take certain zones 3, 4 and even 6 times in a month. So there's been precedent to this kind of thing happening. Of course, there have been people who have complained in the past about people hogging zones too.

So taking the time to peruse some of our older threads where people have hashed out the details of the current system, I'll just say I think Asdrabael described the system best here. So to Cynric, it's just my humble opinion that while there are no rules specifically stating a person shouldn't claim the same zone multiple times, if you feel they should share or change, perhaps you'd have more success asking them to swap a day instead of accusing them of monopolizing zones. To Geneyus, I'd ask that you just forget about this event and please keep to the spirit of the rules our community has set up.

[Geneyus]

If Cynric decides to go ahead and do Xarc on the 10th, it'll actually be the third time in two months that a zone we scheduled will have been taken. If not, then we will continue to use it. We didn't schedule over anyone, every zone we planned was open.

And to Cynric, I can hold Xarc for 2 and a half hours with 2 people, and definitely have the gil to do so. So I'm not sweating it too much. Also if you planned 9 Sandys, that'd be awesome, cause then it's just more likely that I can spam Xarc!

[Furisouls]

GTalbot, I agree wholeheartedly.

GTalbot, on 01 April 2010 - 01:05 AM, said:

So first, I'm just gonna toss out some background about the dynamis scheduling system we use here. Some of this you guys already know and are gonna tell me, "Duh," but that's okay with me.
Dynamis leaders kinda worked out this system around the beginning of '06. Originally, schedules were set to be posted 3 days before the start of the month. It got pushed to 5 days, and then finally to 7 days around Feb/Mar of '07. I think people have been pretty okay with 7 days. You can even see on this month that Kyoma understands the rules and apologized for the variance.
Even back then, or perhaps moreso back then, people used to take certain zones 3, 4 and even 6 times in a month. So there's been precedent to this kind of thing happening. Of course, there have been people who have complained in the past about people hogging zones too.

You are now deemed the Keeper of Titan Dynamis History. Yeah, Irtehdivine overhauled it when he came out with three separate dynamis linkshells. That was definitely "moreso back then".

GTalbot, on 01 April 2010 - 01:05 AM, said:

So taking the time to peruse some of our older threads where people have hashed out the details of the current system, I'll just say I think Asdrabael described the system best here. So to Cynric, it's just my humble opinion that while there are no rules specifically stating a person shouldn't claim the same zone multiple times, if you feel they should share or change, perhaps you'd have more success asking them to swap a day instead of accusing them of monopolizing zones. To Geneyus, I'd ask that you just forget about this event and please keep to the spirit of the rules our community has set up.

There is definitely no stated, and widely accepted set of rules governing over said monopolizing of zones, frankly, we shouldn't have the need for it. Ever. It will only complicate things and why fix something that isn't broken? We've always used these threads as a form of common courtesy between our server's dynamis linkshells/groups.

I can't speak for all the Titan Dynamis LSs; however, there was an instance where I scheduled four (4) Xarcabards in a single month. I'm not going to go through the trouble of checking if I've ever have done such a thing again, but I can speak for myself when I say that I try to avoid doing so as that month was part of a promise to my LS of "Northland/CoP". Yada yada. I do agree and understand what Cynric is saying, about "monopolizing"; however, the way in which he confronted RammingSpeed LS, I do not. As I mentioned, this thread is used for common courtesy so if you (Cynric) wanted a particular date for Xarcabard it would have been better and less confrontational if you approached them and asked for some sort of work-around or compromise. During one of our /tell exchanges when I informed you of a time conflict you had with another LS, wasn't it you who said: "that is one thing I dislike about text comm, you can never truly tell the tone or manner of words said" (I apologize, I paraphrased as best as I could).

Geneyus, I can and will respect the fact that despite not favoring our widely accepted use of Dynamis scheduling via KI forums, that you still conform with us and use it. It's better than what other Linkshells have done to the other LSs and their leaders who actually take the time and have the common courtesy to schedule dynamis on here.

Far be it for me to get between two LSs and their differences, but.....oh fuck it. People, chill with the threatening each other with stolen zones, stealing zones, or overriding one another's schedules. If you feel they've monopolized a certain area, then go and talk to them. We all list contacts for that reason. I'm sure all of this..whatever you want to call it, could have been avoided with a /tell. Well, couple of /tells. Please do not take my post as hostile, or a means of calling out mentioned individuals/LSs, it is not. As you can see from the aforementioned post and the links contained within it, no system is perfect, but we've all shown that this system does work. So I ask if all parties involved to please continue respecting our system and, in turn, all the people it affects.

Do Work™

This post has been edited by Furisouls: 01 April 2010 - 08:47 PM

[Cynric_of_Titan]

This has been a fine system with a great tradition. But, it will only survive as long as it works for all participants. My shell not having the use of Xarc at all while another shell has it four times is not going to work for me.

I'm sorry but monopolizing a zone is not acceptable. Even more so given that this thread jumped its start time to an extent that before the start time rolled around the schedule was pretty much booked up. If I can't get a reasonable schedule for my shell using this system I will have to raise the pirate flag and not honor reservations that I consider excessive. If providing the information on which zone I plan to use results in me being blocked from entering by someone that is holding the zone with 2 people then obviously I will not be able to post my schedule.

This post has been edited by Cynric_of_Titan: 01 April 2010 - 10:01 PM

[Myll]

I will agree that monopolizing zones is bad, but if no one else has the zone, take it.

If someone posts later wanting to use the zone, that person should ASK the person who has it scheduled if they can work out an arrangement so you can either, have the zone by entering a bit earlier and them late, or just have them switch days.

Just coming in and saying, I'm taking this zone from you and you have to enter late, is kinda rude and is the same as monopolizing, it's showing complete disrespect to the conduct of the LSs and this forum

[Thelian]

as soon as you gank a reservation from another shell, no one will honor your's again. think b4 you screw yourself over.

[Xerlic]

Cynric_of_Titan, on 01 April 2010 - 09:25 PM, said:

I'm sorry but monopolizing a zone is not acceptable. Even more so given that this thread jumped its start time to an extent that before the start time rolled around the schedule was pretty much booked up. If I can't get a reasonable schedule for my shell using this system I will have to raise the pirate flag and not honor reservations that I consider excessive.

Did the thought ever occur to you to talk to the guy and ask him to switch one of the xarcabards instead of running to the forums and using your self-proclaimed authority and arrogance to invalidate his schedule? I mean, instead of trying to take the whole corsair/pirate thing and run with it, you probably could have solved this problem in a civil manner instead of threatening to take down a system that has been in place for years. Do you really want to be that guy that causes people to claim zones with a mule and leave them afk in there for 2+ hours?

[GTalbot]

Cynric_of_Titan said:

Your rules are broken and do not work. I offer you a choice

If the rules are broken, then you should be offering a solution. Sure the system is not perfect, but it's the least imperfect system I've seen come around that people have accepted. If you come up with a system that doesn't "require "camping this board to get a schedule" then please by all means, bring it up for peer review.

However, the tone you give is someone bandying around demands and ultimatums. Of course the problem there is that there isn't one person to make these ultimatums to. There is not one decision maker that you can leverage your words against. Even if one linkshell agrees to one of your demands, you're going to find another linkshell that will not agree.

Cynric_of_Titan said:

As I said, either find a way to make this scheduling fair and acceptable, or you can expect that people will choose not to pay attention to these reservations. The existing method of camping this board to get a schedule has worn thin.

Sadly, if someone is unhappy with the status quo, it is their burden to find a way to make scheduling more "fair and acceptable". Since you are the sole person on this board that has expressed dissatisfaction, this must be your burden to bear.

Cynric_of_Titan said:

I ask you to invalidate any schedules prior to the midnight starting gun. And with that rammingspeeds schedule goes away and along with it our point of conflict.

I'd beg to differ. Assuming we were to wipe all schedules prior to midnight Eastern, the current widely accepted standard, Sushii's lolskynamis would be the "first post". Rammingspeed's post still comes prior to yours, and they posted within the 7 day window.

Cynric_of_Titan said:

(posting a little early, but hey that was just judged to be ok)

I believe it wasn't judged to be ok. Furisouls points it out in the very first reply. You may notice a tone of concern and civility in it. Kyoma edited in a response apologizing and promising that it would not happen again. I believe they both acted in a mature and adult fashion to keep the peace.

Anything beyond this point is probably going to be a tl;dr.
So this is just the opinion of one person; I'm not the leader of one of these dynamis lses, I don't represent the entirety of their members within.

Personally, I wouldn't mind exchanging a zone so long as it's in the best interest of keeping the peace. I find the dialogue on this thread to be an opportunity. If I was a linkshell leader and I donated a Xarc reservation to Corsaireship/PG, I'd be making a show of it with the purpose of improving the system. I'd ask that the rest of the LS leaders consider invalidating any thread that was posted before midnight Eastern, and that the first new thread posted with the proper time stamp be accepted as the upcoming month's official dynamis schedule.

More realistically, you won't get any of your demands met, however, I think as a lesson learned, there'd be a decent chance that people could agree to a more strict "camping" of the board, and just letting lag sort it out. >.>

Earlier, you talked of people having to make a choice, but in the end, it's really a choice you're going to make that will decide what reactions everyone else will have.

If you choose to play nice, take the hit this month and try again in May, you agree to fall back in line with the status quo, and you're afforded the same opportunities that each ls leader has. First come, first serve, start the thread within 7 days of the upcoming month, avoid conflicting schedules.

If you choose to take unilateral actions for whatever reason, you choose to make your ls a target. People get wise, if they see you moving in to take a zone, linkshell's reactions will get faster as they see they need to compete against you. You'll have to compete for every zone every time, but the shells that run near to the same time as you will have respite, they'll only have to compete once or twice a month. How long will your membership be comfortable with doing this? Are the members of Corsaireship/PG fanatical enough that they'll follow you with pirating each zone and straining their friendships with others in different dynamis LSes?


It's not within my power to give, but I almost want to see you get your A schedule. Are you sure you don't want to change up those beaucidine runs to something else...? Perhaps some Dynamis-Valkurm?

Last thing from me for now (hopefully for a good long while). You know people chose to use this system to minimize scheduling conflicts. Nobody set this system up saying "Hey, let's make sure nobody will be able to reserve a zone 4+ times in a month."

Oh what the hell, I'll leave this on a happy note.

[Thelian]

the system is self regulating to an extent. there have been times where the a schedual was posted way to early, it was reported, and the mods locked it stating to follow the pre-existing format titan uses. the system works fine, it just didn't work for you this time around.

[liltearani]

To all members involved in the dynamis scheduling:

Whether there was a late entry to the schedule or not, it is called common courtesy to NOT schedule that many runs in one month knowing very well that there are quite a few other linkshells that will want to enter as well. You are so concerned with another "player" stealing from your linkshell (that cynric was not even involved in) that you yourself are stealing from other linkshells by occupying the same zone for so many runs. I find it down right selfish and as far as your comments are concerned you should be ashamed of yourself. There are actually children that play this game and read these forums. If you want to know the definition of "respectful" or better yet a being "MATURE" then you should look em up. I saw no aggressive or threating manners in cynrics posts and for you to come back with "F-U" is just immature. FFXIV is not all about RAMMING SPEED, whether you like it or not there are other shells involved and should be treated with respect regardless the situation!

[Matsuo]

liltearani, on 04 April 2010 - 10:33 PM, said:

To all members involved in the dynamis scheduling:

Whether there was a late entry to the schedule or not, it is called common courtesy to NOT schedule that many runs in one month knowing very well that there are quite a few other linkshells that will want to enter as well. You are so concerned with another "player" stealing from your linkshell (that cynric was not even involved in) that you yourself are stealing from other linkshells by occupying the same zone for so many runs. I find it down right selfish and as far as your comments are concerned you should be ashamed of yourself. There are actually children that play this game and read these forums. If you want to know the definition of "respectful" or better yet a being "MATURE" then you should look em up. I saw no aggressive or threating manners in cynrics posts and for you to come back with "F-U" is just immature. FFXIV is not all about RAMMING SPEED, whether you like it or not there are other shells involved and should be treated with respect regardless the situation!

lol

Guys, really. Obviously this is bad, but please try and handle it between you. Frankly, there's no need to claim that the system is broken. It's not. It always worked when it worked because people CHOSE to respect it. It always failed when it failed because people CHOSE not to respect it. This is between you and you alone, and NEITHER of you is really doing all they can to respect the system that has worked for so long.

That said... lolthreats. I just think it'd be silly to watch this devolve any further over THIS of all things. If it suits you though, by all means keep flinging around that macho... god knows it does have some entertainment value, if little other practical value.

This post has been edited by Matsuo: 05 April 2010 - 01:53 AM

[Myll]

I agree with that.. this is most I've checked dyna calendar ever.. and it's not even at the end of the 2nd week o.o *hands popcorn around*

[Geneyus]

Dear Cynric,

#7 User is offline Xtcdoll Icon Posted 24 March 2010 - 05:53 AM

6 AM On the 24th is after when we are allowed to post. We were also the ----7TH---- LS to post.

We posted 2 fucking hours before you. Stop being an idiot.

Thanks,
Geneyus

Edit: Also, I said I would hold the zone I scheduled, before you did, with 2 people. Threatening to not post your schedule does not bother me, I've never once sent a tell to someone who entered a zone I had planned that day. I'll let you in on a secret. We had to wait 3 weeks to do Xarc last month to finish Kahni's Aegis because it was taken. We also had our zone "stolen" twice last month, I'm sure you heard me screaming from the rooftops about it. Really, like it's been said many times, It's not that hard to send a tell. You don't have to respect our schedule, I truly honestly do not care if you do or don't. If you take Xarc on the 10th, the world will not end. Our use of this system will. Sorry we posted before you and you don't like that, I suggest you post at midnight of the next window with your cash for corsair's campaign, that way you can make sure Sandy is open when you post your schedule.

If you really want everyone to use this system, I suggest you follow it.

To liltearani: People cuss, and any kid who is old enough to play this game does too.

This post has been edited by Geneyus: 06 April 2010 - 08:00 PM

[Myll]

The game is rated that way for a reason, if a kid playing this game honestly doesnt hear/see/say cusswords at places other then in FF.. then I feel for his sheltered cage of a life.

[liltearani]

To all it concerns:

Just because this game content shows it's rating doesn't mean people should forget their manners or think they don't have to be respectful to others (hmm basic skills learned as a kid). YOU are no better than anyone else that plays this game. You are the same as everyone and i believe everyone should be treated with respect and in a "ADULT"----> (Definition: having attained full size and strength; grown up; mature) manner As far as the system goes that is up to you i could careless if u use it or not, it's just a shame that others have to suffer for greedy people such as urself....

[Geneyus]

Thanks mom.

If you're no better than me, you should come out of your ivory tower.

Edit: Spelling error.

This post has been edited by Geneyus: 07 April 2010 - 07:18 PM

[liltearani]

Better than ur below zero attitudinal location >.>

[Thatguywiththebawls]

Geneyus, on 07 April 2010 - 07:16 PM, said:

Thanks mom.

If you're no better than me, you should come out of your ivory tower.

Edit: Spelling error.

Sounds to me like you are trying to pick a fight with Cynric if you ask me. Otherwise why do all this. You are not obviously going for the currency. For as long as Cynric's been doing dynamis at that same time for years now. I guess you chose to do it on nights that other LS's were going. So it seems that since they have been running at the same time for all that time for you to come in and want to pick fights and start shit for everyone else you should be ready for people to mess your runs up too. Bottom line is they been doing it at same time on same days long before you came into the picture. I guess you want to whine about LOLdisco too? He was a chump but no reason to start swinging your prick at Cynric b/c of that.

[Thelian]

actually, i am better then all of you~