[Aguaa]

Hello KI

I've been considering doing a few(or possibly quite a few) omegas with a pickup limbus group I've been running for AF & chips on the side. A few of the members like the idea(who wouldn't?) so I figure why not? The setup I was originally aiming for was NIN/drk BRD/whm RDM/whm BLM/ninx2. After input on this thread it has changed to DRK/ninx2 RDM/whm(or /drk) BRD/whm BLM/ninx2.

Anyone who has done lowman omega before please let me know what you think I'm open to suggestions

This post has been edited by Aguaa: 25 April 2010 - 12:35 PM

[Zigfield]

Currently, my LS is doing 10 minute 12 member runs, and have had friends do 9 man runs, so its possible, time wise, to do it...

That being said, this is what I would try:

PLD/NIN
BRD/WHM
RDM/WHM (or a really good WHM/SCH)
BLM X2 (one /nin and the other /rdm or /sch)
SAM/THF (could do RNG/SAM but....need more hate control I think)

First of all, you would have to have very good players. No room or time for screw-ups.
Second, have the PLD use Opo+Sleep Pots to 300% TP and Spirits Within (or Vorp Blade, i forgot what one it is) for initial hate and damage.
The SAM/THF should be CONSTANTLY TA-WSing the tank, regardless of form.
BLMs throw out stun as often as possible (watching for Pile Pitch and when PLD has no shadows mainly), doing T2 or T3 nukes (depending on how well the PLD has hate), and being ready to gab the PODs as soon as they are popped, AS SOON AS THEY ARE POPPED!
Your issue will not be getting it down in time as much as living through its final form, which will be everyone 2hring (RDM if need be, /DRK would be good for chainstun too, thats what we do).

The issue with the setup would be that you will not have enough damage to kill it when its in CB mode (final form), if PLD dies, or if RDM or BLMs nuke right when its doing hate reset.

A PLD is just fine for hate, but gotta make sure the BLMs aren't nuking too much/hard.

If it works, let me know. Good luck!

[Aguaa]

Zigfield, on 25 April 2010 - 05:34 AM, said:

Currently, my LS is doing 10 minute 12 member runs, and have had friends do 9 man runs, so its possible, time wise, to do it...

That being said, this is what I would try:

PLD/NIN
BRD/WHM
RDM/WHM (or a really good WHM/SCH)
BLM X2 (one /nin and the other /rdm or /sch)
SAM/THF (could do RNG/SAM but....need more hate control I think)

First of all, you would have to have very good players. No room or time for screw-ups.
Second, have the PLD use Opo+Sleep Pots to 300% TP and Spirits Within (or Vorp Blade, i forgot what one it is) for initial hate and damage.
The SAM/THF should be CONSTANTLY TA-WSing the tank, regardless of form.
BLMs throw out stun as often as possible (watching for Pile Pitch and when PLD has no shadows mainly), doing T2 or T3 nukes (depending on how well the PLD has hate), and being ready to gab the PODs as soon as they are popped, AS SOON AS THEY ARE POPPED!
Your issue will not be getting it down in time as much as living through its final form, which will be everyone 2hring (RDM if need be, /DRK would be good for chainstun too, thats what we do).

The issue with the setup would be that you will not have enough damage to kill it when its in CB mode (final form), if PLD dies, or if RDM or BLMs nuke right when its doing hate reset.

A PLD is just fine for hate, but gotta make sure the BLMs aren't nuking too much/hard.

If it works, let me know. Good luck!

It seems that you're confusing omega & ultima and combining them into a jumbled mess. You say to stun Pile Pitch but then you say "you will not have enough damage to kill it when it's in CB mode" which is Ultima.

As for players I'm not worried about that. I'll be on one of the 2 most important jobs(except during pods) which would be RDM or tank. I'll just need to pound into the BLM's heads that they must dispose of the pods ASAP. I'm not worried about zerging it, omega is pretty docile even below 25%, unlike Ultima. So I'd prefer a RNG for steady damage output out of AoE range. Having the RNG unload TP only on Gunpods would further help pods go smoothly.

I'm likely going to go with NIN/drk tank for 1 more shadow and more potential hate gain. Considering taking 2x RNG 1x BLM instead even. With 2 BLM if they're slacking off/getting resisted alot then it'll be close time wise. With 2 RNG I'm sure it will die in time, 4 legs will just be slow progress.

If damage is still an issue I can tank it as DRK/nin with scythe. I've tanked omega multiple times before on DRK, always with 10+ people though. It's easy as long as your RDM and BRD keep slow & elegy up the majority of the time. Some scheduled stuns from BLM(s) can help it along further aswell. If we do scheduled stuns then running out of shadows is not an issue. DRK over other DD/nin because it can use Soul Eater + Last Resort + spells to get hate back if hate reset occurs. I already have my homam, so it's not gimp geared.

All my gearsets except full Enmity & WS cap the -recast reduction at -50% fulltime when double march is on. My enmity gearset has +45, +4 from merits makes it 1 from cap, which is what I would use right after a hate reset. The gear to mention is the lack of a Velocious Belt, and having Ace's to help with acc(likely using pizza aswell) and Ares to help with MP(no ballad).


Though... are Gunpods resistant to physical damage? I've never used melee on them & I always have the Ranger I usually have pulling the pod's damage filtered out.

This post has been edited by Aguaa: 25 April 2010 - 09:28 AM

[Kaparu]

DRK/NIN
DRK/NIN
RDM/WHM
BRD/WHM
BLM/NIN
BLM/NIN

Unless people are incapable of stunning Pile Pitch, its pretty hard to lose like that.

And there's no better tank for Omega than two DRK/NIN.

[Aguaa]

Hmmm... I like the sound of that. It'll likely be hard to find another well geared DRK who is interested in doing this though. I guess the DRK who doesn't currently have hate would stun the pods when they pop & WS it before the BLMs get their nukes off. One of my 2 BLMs isn't fully merited or geared.

This post has been edited by Aguaa: 25 April 2010 - 09:40 AM

[Kaparu]

DRKs don't touch the pods, that's why BLM are /NIN.

And the DRKs don't have to be exceptionally geared, either. As long as they can do sufficient damage, tanking it will be a breeze.

Edit: If you want to make it even more of a joke, bring a BRD/WHM who's got a quick trigger finger for -na. Letting your RDM go /DRK will practically put the thing on stun-lock.

This post has been edited by Kaparu: 25 April 2010 - 09:47 AM

[Aguaa]

Kaparu, on 25 April 2010 - 09:43 AM, said:

DRKs don't touch the pods, that's why BLM are /NIN.

And the DRKs don't have to be exceptionally geared, either. As long as they can do sufficient damage, tanking it will be a breeze.

Edit: If you want to make it even more of a joke, bring a BRD/WHM who's got a quick trigger finger for -na. Letting your RDM go /DRK will practically put the thing on stun-lock.

My stunning experience on Pile Pitch is pretty sour. It seems faster than Gates of Hades. If I recall correctly I failed pretty badly at stunning Pile Pitch the one time I did go rdm/drk just for this. This was at 10-15 fps and 2+ years ago, however. At 30fps is it harder/easier to stun than GoH?

[Kaparu]

Its slightly faster, but still shouldn't be an issue. That's why you have two tanks, though- just in case.

[Aguaa]

While we're on the subject of undocumented exact cast times(on the common sites atleast)... Is Pile Pitch faster or slower than Dissapation?

Edit: I think I'll definately be having the tank who does not have hate upon gunpod pop atleast cast 1 spell on the pod to keep it from hitting a mage 2x for 400+ damage...

Any DRKs on Cerberus who have Homam Legs & atleast 2/3 of the following: Bahamut's Mask(or Aegishjalmr)/Iron Ram Hauberk(or Hydra Hauberk)/Iron Ram Legs
if any of you want to join for AF or Homam Body/Hands/Feet send a /tell to Jaugax or Aguaa

This post has been edited by Aguaa: 25 April 2010 - 12:06 PM

[Kaparu]

You're putting one of your tanks in danger by doing that. Have the one that doesn't have hate at the moment tag one, suddenly Omega shifts to that person, you now have an extraordinarily offensive pod and Omega swinging at them, they hit the ground.

I've been doing 6-man Omegas for a long time, two BLM/NIN can easily take care of pods without dying.

[MattelotLeviathan]

We do 6-man Omega with: 2x Pld/Nin, Brd/Whm, Rdm/Whm and 2x Blm/Rdm. Just keep the Plds in Marchs and mages in Ballads.

[TresDuendes]

MattelotLeviathan, on 27 April 2010 - 03:59 AM, said:

We do 6-man Omega with: 2x Pld/Nin, Brd/Whm, Rdm/Whm and 2x Blm/Rdm. Just keep the Plds in Marchs and mages in Ballads.

Less efficient but it works. DRK is preferable due to dread spikes, and BLM/NIN to absorb a hit or two from pods. Also, with elegy and slow/slow2, really could just march/ballad. Would give the pld more MP for hate, and more room for the BLM to nuke.

[MattelotLeviathan]

The only want to really determine if one is more efficient is for the same group to try both setups and measure. Blms don't sub Nin because the Pods die almost instantly and I can't remember the last time anyone took damage from one.... hmm... anyway.

The Plds get Ballad 2 and March 2, the Blms and Rdm get both Ballads. He dies rather quick and we don't have any close calls. I guess it's up to the leader if he wants to try anything different.

You know what... come to think of it, I only know of one person in the group who even has Drk leveled and he just hit 75 this week. He is trying hard to gear up though. Maybe I should level Drk instead of Drg o_o

[Simmy77]

I have an Apollyon Linkshell myself with 7 members max we do PLD/NINx2 BRD/WHM RDM/WHM BLM/RDMx3 have been doing it for a year with this setup without any problems and still at least 10-12 minutes of kiting @ 1-5% for chip farm. It's happened quite often to doing 6 man's just take out 1 PLD elegy + slow 2 march/ballad and have rdm and brd focus alot on pld paralyna / silena's etc. Granted you do almost no damage pre 25% 2 leg form ...we can crush it in 4 leg form and just kite the last 25%. Though all the people we have are very experienced and well geared as well

[Zigfield]

Aguaa, on 25 April 2010 - 08:41 AM, said:

It seems that you're confusing omega & ultima and combining them into a jumbled mess. You say to stun Pile Pitch but then you say "you will not have enough damage to kill it when it's in CB mode" which is Ultima.

Colossial Blow. Its like Pile Pitch.