[rambus]

I want to know if anyone got something like this because i am speechless. When I am on other jobs I do want COR roll and i do push for it, however in the mist of pushing for it i usually end up having people understand and accepting my request. There was one time i left a party because a COR refused to COR roll but at lest the party understood what was going on, understood how i felt and the fact i can be cor my self. ( this said pt end up taking me back as cor after the other left).

I was in a party with a Japanese whm and brd. the first or second round of rolls i missed cor roll on someone and they said something about it. I said I will get you when I can , that I will start my cycle when roll was up and try hit everyone. I continued to try hit everyone like i do for all my parties. I will say something like gather together if i can not hit brd and healer because they are on opposite ends of party, or i will just try and hit everyone with different numbers. Well after a while he stood very far away and started to make my job hard. One instance I said " gather together @5" and he stood there. He did not move at all so i rolled. I end up hitting a 5 so i was not going to brake up something like that. (sometimes I do, depends what jas i have up and what mood i am in, when i do i end up hitting 11s for some odd reason). So i just let the 5 sit. He said "see you again!" no corsair's roll on me" and left. It was not like i was always missing him it was the first time i think past the first few rounds of rolls I had ( i was off beat when i started)

When i hit a 4 or 10 i will tell them gather together 11 cor roll or gather together lucky roll. If someone misses it it would be on them. I never had someone whine when I miss someone it does happen, when im healer i just ask cors to tell me when to move in or whatever. If it misses me I tell them and thats it I do not say anything more. I never was rude about rolls missing me, I might just say something to let them know, I never leave party because of it.

I have a few questions with giving this backround:

Did anyone have ludicrous encounters like this?
Is there some trend of Japanese sucking more and more and being more and more rude? I do not remember Japanese people acting this obnoxious in the past past the /check thing.

He sends me a tell damnding I have a Luzaf's ring. I am not even sure what this is but there is no way you should expect everyone to have the best gear with every job because of the little space game gives you.

This post has been edited by rambus: 02 May 2010 - 03:37 AM

[lorzy]

luzaf's ring makes the range of rolls bigger.

[Corrderio]

If they didn't get in range for the roll, that's their own fault. End of story.

[MattelotLeviathan]

Corrderio, on 02 May 2010 - 04:56 AM, said:

If they didn't get in range for the roll, that's their own fault. End of story.

QFT

I've had a problem sometimes with people moving around. Their problem.

[DoA]

I'm only 60 and have had that problem with mages, not just JP though. In my macro I have {Gather Together}{Corsair's Roll} @5, if they miss it is their own fault. I go out of my way to evokers and drop rolls that I prefer you damn well better move in position where I can hit you with it.

[rambus]

yeah yeah I get all that, however did you ever have someone leave because they missed it like i did?.

he said
"see you again!" no corsair's roll on me" and left. even though our brd kept pulling and such

This post has been edited by rambus: 02 May 2010 - 11:54 AM

[solara]

There are really people who don't have Luzaf's Ring? It's level 40, doubles the range of Phantom Roll/Double Up, and only costs 4k Imperial Standing. ;>_>

I agree that guy complained too much, but there's really no excuse not to have a Luzaf's equipped any time you're doing a full party roll.

[rambus]

solara, on 02 May 2010 - 12:26 PM, said:

There are really people who don't have Luzaf's Ring? It's level 40, doubles the range of Phantom Roll/Double Up, and only costs 4k Imperial Standing. ;>_>

I agree that guy complained too much, but there's really no excuse not to have a Luzaf's equipped any time you're doing a full party roll.

gear 19 jobs with gear changes you get picky. I did not even know about it, if people are going to be that anal about a ring where it be a common place ill go brd or rdm.

it costs an inventory slot, i could care less about the other resources it costs. I have 180k IS, i spent 40k in the last few weeks selling imp gold pieces, that cost does not bother me.

This post has been edited by rambus: 02 May 2010 - 01:19 PM

[solara]

rambus, on 02 May 2010 - 01:13 PM, said:

gear 19 jobs with gear changes you get picky. I did not even know about it, if people are going to be that anal about a ring where it be a common place ill go brd or rdm.

it costs an inventory slot, i could care less about the other resources it costs. I have 180k IS, i spent 40k in the last few weeks selling imp gold pieces, that cost does not bother me.

I understand tight inventory, I only have gear for 5 of my jobs, but I gear them well. I'm typically sitting at 80/80/80/76/70, so I definitely relate to you about being picky what I add to my inventory.

Cor is a job that requires you to free up inventory for it though, since you're carrying bullets, pouches, 3-4+ types of cards, two guns, food, melee gear, racc gear, and ws gear at the very least for events. That being said, being able to literally double the range of your rolls is a huge boost in exp and events (I forgot mine once, and it was a pain to hit the rng and melees with rolls at all times), and definitely worth a single slot to improve Cor's primary role in the party.

[MattelotLeviathan]

Rambus, you partied with a moron. It's going to happen. I've never had anyone leave for not getting a roll. I've had people who got bent out of shape because they missed a song or roll before, but I had to remind them that it's their fault for moving all over the place. (mostly Rngs)

[Draiganadi]

Frankly if you are leveling COR and not reading about your jobs and the gears that are most useful(Luzaf's Ring) then you really don't have the right about complaining about a guy wanting a roll. Luzaf's Ring is easily one of the easiest to obtain and the most standard piece of gear a COR can own. Also if you are having issues sticking a party buff then stick to Evoker's + 2 melee buffs. It's a simple as that I have done the testing between COR + 1 melee buff and 2 melee buffs and generally speaking you kill faster or get more exp per a kill. So it's typically no different either way.

[rambus]

Draiganadi, on 02 May 2010 - 05:07 PM, said:

Frankly if you are leveling COR and not reading about your jobs and the gears that are most useful(Luzaf's Ring) then you really don't have the right about complaining about a guy wanting a roll. Luzaf's Ring is easily one of the easiest to obtain and the most standard piece of gear a COR can own. Also if you are having issues sticking a party buff then stick to Evoker's + 2 melee buffs. It's a simple as that I have done the testing between COR + 1 melee buff and 2 melee buffs and generally speaking you kill faster or get more exp per a kill. So it's typically no different either way.

I only have enough time to know about so much about this game, you are bond to miss something so excuse me. I got to 75 maybe 20 merits and i have not have an issue about this ring.

I was planing to expand on cor since there was a LS i had some interest in liked them a lot ( i ended up buying a stack of card cases of each card). I stopped caring because I never went to cor once yet. so far it has been SCH, BLM,BRD,SMN, DRK ( zerg only of course),DRG,WAR,RNG,THF,RDM, WHM ( in the order i played most to last). I can play PLD, i MT, OT for a dyna ls before I quit and have MDT, PDT, fast cast/ haste/ enmity/melee idle / ws macros ( no atonement yet). since coming back I never been asked to go PLD, BST,NIN,COR,SAM,BLU,DNC yet. COR is just a merit job for me at the moment so i stopped caring to make 5 setups for that job.

ingoing that, do you honestly advocate someone to ignore a "gather together" just so you can point out that someone does not have a ring? then greif them by leaving pt? that's why i made this wonder if anyone else experience this or how common it is.

This post has been edited by rambus: 02 May 2010 - 06:47 PM

[lorzy]

Draiganadi, on 02 May 2010 - 05:07 PM, said:

Frankly if you are leveling COR and not reading about your jobs and the gears that are most useful(Luzaf's Ring) then you really don't have the right about complaining about a guy wanting a roll. Luzaf's Ring is easily one of the easiest to obtain and the most standard piece of gear a COR can own. Also if you are having issues sticking a party buff then stick to Evoker's + 2 melee buffs. It's a simple as that I have done the testing between COR + 1 melee buff and 2 melee buffs and generally speaking you kill faster or get more exp per a kill. So it's typically no different either way.

he's not mad that someone WANTED A ROLL. the guy wanted the roll and wouldn't move in range for it, then bitched about it.

[Kandi_]

Luzafs range increase is only NICE it doesnt make or break COR.

dont bitch at him cuz PT members are too lazy to do anything but play DDs who auto-attack.

[MattelotLeviathan]

Draiganadi, on 02 May 2010 - 05:07 PM, said:

Frankly if you are leveling COR and not reading about your jobs and the gears that are most useful(Luzaf's Ring) then you really don't have the right about complaining about a guy wanting a roll. Luzaf's Ring is easily one of the easiest to obtain and the most standard piece of gear a COR can own. Also if you are having issues sticking a party buff then stick to Evoker's + 2 melee buffs. It's a simple as that I have done the testing between COR + 1 melee buff and 2 melee buffs and generally speaking you kill faster or get more exp per a kill. So it's typically no different either way.

The problem with this is... where's the process? Where does it state that someone has to "do some reading" about his job? Sure, many do, but many don't. None of us know everything. We constantly discover gears that we didn't notice before.

Also, he has every right to complain. As a 75 Cor and Brd, if you move out of range for my buffs, that's your bad.

[Katchoo]

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yeah yeah I get all that, however did you ever have someone leave because they missed it like i did?.

Someone acting like a dick in FFXI!? How shocking.

[Bikpik]

Get a luzaf ring, then if you miss anyone with cor roll, it's their own fault, but for the most part, Brd's should get used to missing rolls, with them being busy looking for the next mob to pull.

[Draiganadi]

Ehh wasn't trying to come off as a dick my bad :x Just in this day in age of how old this game is everyone typically does some reading. Honestly I seen it years ago just browsing through the sanction junk you can buy. And no it's not game breaking but it can be one of your more useful items that works for just COR in what it does best, party buffs. And apologies again for coming off as a dick

[minyuni]

I was the Brd in the party. and the whm is the one who left. his name was kasubake or something. the stupid thing about it is the whm left us all hanging when we began a battle.

he didnt leave when one was almost dead or anything. he just stopped curing and left. and rambus did warn him to move into range and he didnt. he was a dick about it.

the only problem i had was him ditching the party right when we needed him....

[rambus]

minyuni, on 03 May 2010 - 09:14 PM, said:

I was the Brd in the party. and the whm is the one who left. his name was kasubake or something. the stupid thing about it is the whm left us all hanging when we began a battle.

he didnt leave when one was almost dead or anything. he just stopped curing and left. and rambus did warn him to move into range and he didnt. he was a dick about it.

the only problem i had was him ditching the party right when we needed him....

oh crap you post here, /runs

Kasukabe

Bikpik, on 03 May 2010 - 07:00 AM, said:

Get a luzaf ring, then if you miss anyone with cor roll, it's their own fault, but for the most part, Brd's should get used to missing rolls, with them being busy looking for the next mob to pull.

this is WHY i say gather for COR roll, it is to target the main party and them. if the healer don't want ot move then F** them, brds are more busy then whms or healers or w/es

BRD>>>>> me >>> party everyone gets hit WHM wanted:

Brd >>>> me >>> party >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHM

no fuck that. brds have lest amount of freedom on where to move so my position for COR roll revoles in hitting the bard and the pt. just ask my brd friend here, was i hitting you with cor roll a lot minyuni? I think i might of missed you like first cycle or 2 i was out of sync starting out.

now thinking about it, the ring will not change my style, if brd is north of the party and healer is south ( polar opistate) I dought the ring will hit the healer that far away.

if the party , healer and brd fourms a triange formation angles around 30-45 degrees., it could help in that setup, but all i do is wait a few seconds, there is no reason a healer should be at max range away from the party anyway. melees move as well and you do not want to get out of range cures. if the brd runs near the healer in a pull there is no issue for that situation.

this is what the setup looked like when the whm left

BRD run >>>>>>>>             /<Me  Party
                         </
                       </
                     Roll








                                        
                                     WHM

so ya whem i moved like that was after i said gather, I do try hit healer anyway even when it is not very convenet. I do not even bother if the healer does not move when it makes healer and brd polar oppsitates of pt:

                                          ^   
                                       BRD
                                         

                                     Roll here
   

                                         ^
                                         Me
                                        Party











healer not getting cor roll

I do not know where the brd might stand when getting back to the pt to buff and run out again so i will not wait to do cor roll when brd is at pt then i go find a spot between pt and healer ( sometimes i do like i said it depends on the brd).

healers have the most freedom where to move , brds have the lest, this is the most logical way i see in doing things. I am not going to center my unervise on a lazy healer. ( like i said select camps/situations are different i can fully understand why i do not tell the healer to move in for buff cuz of wyvern para AoE and such.) but when its birds that have no aoe healers have the most freedom so ya..

also in wivere whm way want ot move in for estuna attack down so >.>

This post has been edited by rambus: 04 May 2010 - 01:49 AM