[Madawc]

200 skill + 120 Ranged Accuracy. Acid bolts, bloody bolts, blind bolts, sleep bolts

320 Ranged accuracy, with a Acid bolt you can lower enemy defence with 12.5%, which equals about 14.3% attack boost for 1 min.

This is about the same amount of accuracy you will have on a Scythe.

This post has been edited by Madawc: 16 May 2010 - 07:11 PM

[Kaparu]

You have 50% Acc against merit mobs with scythe?

[firefeng]

Madawc, on 16 May 2010 - 07:09 PM, said:

320 Ranged accuracy, with a Acid bolt you can lower enemy defence with 12.5%, which equals about 14.3% attack boost for 1 min.

This is about the same amount of accuracy you will have on a Scythe.

320 ≠ 400+

[Prothescar]

You're also assuming that you can reliably land the effects of the bolts.

[Sakka_Valefor]

lolmadawc?

[Madawc]

firefeng, on 16 May 2010 - 10:30 PM, said:

320 ≠ 400+

Since when do you have 400+ Acc on Scythe without food?

8 merits, 5 abyssal and 7 justice = 304 skill. According to wiki this is 200 + 104*0.9 = 293.6 accuracy. Adding 40 Acc from gear is 333.6 Accuracy on a Scythe build

Lets say you eat Sole sushi to get that 400 accuracy you are talking about, then you would also get accuracy for ranged, that also puts ranged accuracy in the 400's.

edit: You can also get another 4 Racc if you augment Nuevo Coselete with ranged accuracy.

This post has been edited by Madawc: 17 May 2010 - 02:46 AM

[Rhayve]

Apocalypse/Pole Grip/xxx/Fire bomblet (or Bomb core)
Walahra turban/Justice torque/Brutal Earring/Abyssal earring
Adaman hauberk/Dusk gloves +1/Rajas ring/Blitz ring (or anything else)
Forager's Mantle/Velocious belt/Homam cosciales/Homam gambieras

304 Skill, 200 + 104*0.9 = 293 Accuracy

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50 Accuracy in gear

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Assuming Base DEX of 69 as DRK/SAM (or 68? not sure)
That's 69+15 DEX * 0.75 = +63 Accuracy

= 406 total Accuracy + Hasso's + 10 Accuracy

Sorry if I made a mistake anywhere, but yeah. Capped Accuracy on Colibri without Sushi. Left Cuchulain's mantle and an Accuracy ring out because of that. Less high end would be Homam hands (even more Accuracy) and no relic, but wearing Toreador's ring and Cuchulain's mantle instead, would still be about 404~ Accuracy.
If you want to use bolts, fight non-meripo mobs or bring a THF or something.

This post has been edited by Rhayve: 17 May 2010 - 06:22 AM

[Prothescar]

Further adhering to my previous comment, if you are indeed talking about birds, they're nearly immune to acid bolt effects as it is a wind based proc.

This post has been edited by Prothescar: 25 May 2010 - 01:48 PM

[Madawc]

The argument is that a full marksmanship build gives a good hitrate compared to a 50 accuracy Scythe build.

First there are 16 merits in Scythe, which can also be used in xbow.
Second Hasso is not always guaranteed, i'm /nin most of the time outside merits.
Third if you count dex then also count agi.

304 scythe skill + 50 acc + 63( dex ) = 406

216 marksmanship skill + 125 racc + 32 ( agi ) = 371

That's about 80% hit rate on xbow and 95% hitrate on Scythe.

80% of the mobs you fight you will basically have +14.3% atk given an acid bolt proc.

[Kendo]

I support this post as a DRK that used to /RNG in ballista about 5 years ago.

[pathwriter]

Prothescar, on 17 May 2010 - 07:26 AM, said:

as it is a wind based process.

The word is "proc." It means "Programmed Random OCcurrence." "Process" has nothing to do with this term. It is a proc.

[firefeng]

pathwriter, on 17 May 2010 - 08:48 AM, said:

The word is "proc." It means "Programmed Random OCcurrence." "Process" has nothing to do with this term. It is a proc.

Considering some of your previous arguments about the cultural creep of lingual definitions, this seems like an almost spurious aside, especially considering that it's possible to process programmed random occurrences. I owe you a modicum of gratitude, though, since I always wondered what "proc" actually meant (and was clearly too lazy to Google/Wiki that shit).

madawc said:

That's about 80% hit rate on xbow and 95% hitrate on Scythe.

The damage gained from a ~14% debuff to monster defense doesn't outweigh the time you waste trying to stick bolts.

Do you have a magic fucktard switch in your head that procs after a certain amount of time has passed that hasn't seen you post something completely retarded? Because there for a while you almost seemed to be beyond your special fad of posting completely fucking useless bullshit.

[Kaparu]

Secondary thought, but why hasn't anyone brought up the fact that apparently everything in this game has the same defense, and that level correction was removed from the game?

[Madawc]

firefeng, on 17 May 2010 - 09:03 AM, said:

The damage gained from a ~14% debuff to monster defense doesn't outweigh the time you waste trying to stick bolts.

If the monster is pulled towards you and you got 2-3 seconds waiting, a bolt with a 80% hit rate will drasticly improve dps. If the bolt misses, tough luck. But still 4/5 mobs will get def down. If you keep spamming bolts so that 5/5 mobs are def'd down then sure you are wasting valuable Scything time.

This post has been edited by Madawc: 17 May 2010 - 11:23 AM

[pathwriter]

firefeng, on 17 May 2010 - 09:03 AM, said:

especially considering that it's possible to process programmed random occurrences.

Yes, it is possible to use the verb "process" in a transitive manner to produce that sentence. Saying that Acid Bolts processed on the Greater Colibri (a near impossibility) is intransitive and makes no goddamned sense. The only way "process" works as an intransitive verb (which is what "proc" operates as) is when you're saying, "The priest processed down the center aisle (to molest some young boys)." Linguistic creep and adaptation are fine, but "backronyms" and similar are of the devil. There's a habit among people who don't know the origin of the word "proc" to try to say "procure." Why? Because the verb they're really looking for, since they apparently dislike using the word "proc" (I'll admit, conjugating it is a bit of a nuisance... do we double the C or not?), is "occur," and even that's a wonky fit since you'd really need to say, "The Acid Bolt's added effect occurred on the Greater Colibri." English is a language that constantly shrinks and finds faster ways to say things, just listen to some Londoner mangle the Queen's English if you disbelieve me, so applying a meaningless syllable to a perfectly good word is abominable, rather as though I'd said "abominizzle."

And for anyone who wants to rant at me about derailing, it's a thread in which someone seriously imagines that a huge investment of time and money into an E-rated skill to maybe hit a merit level mob on which the added effect is guaranteed to either never proc or last for less time than it takes to queue up your next Guillotine is worthwhile. So I feel no regrets in derailing it.

[Raldo]

lol, I always thought it stood for "procure" just like you said! Thanks for the insight!

[Prothescar]

Whoa, remind me never to use the word process again!

[firefeng]

pathwriter, on 17 May 2010 - 01:39 PM, said:

Yes, it is possible to use the verb "process" in a transitive manner to produce that sentence. Saying that Acid Bolts processed on the Greater Colibri (a near impossibility) is intransitive and makes no goddamned sense. The only way "process" works as an intransitive verb (which is what "proc" operates as) is when you're saying, "The priest processed down the center aisle (to molest some young boys)." Linguistic creep and adaptation are fine, but "backronyms" and similar are of the devil. There's a habit among people who don't know the origin of the word "proc" to try to say "procure." Why? Because the verb they're really looking for, since they apparently dislike using the word "proc" (I'll admit, conjugating it is a bit of a nuisance... do we double the C or not?), is "occur," and even that's a wonky fit since you'd really need to say, "The Acid Bolt's added effect occurred on the Greater Colibri." English is a language that constantly shrinks and finds faster ways to say things, just listen to some Londoner mangle the Queen's English if you disbelieve me, so applying a meaningless syllable to a perfectly good word is abominable, rather as though I'd said "abominizzle."

I'll just take your word for it, not because I necessarily agree, but because you used the word "backronym", which is the most amazing word ever.

And I'm not arguing that "process" is used intransitively, only that it's used transitively with the object excised from the sentence, but generally assumed nonetheless. Acid Bolts can process defense down; (Debuff) Bolts can process their programmed random occurrence. English is a language that constantly shrinks and finds faster ways to say things, so removing the object when people will still understand your meaning anyway is no different from other bastardizations of the English language in the interest of brevity (or laziness).

This post has been edited by firefeng: 18 May 2010 - 01:29 AM

[TresDuendes]

I love this thread so much.

[firefeng]

I'd love all over your face if you didn't swallow.