[nervosa]

American cage fighter 'rips out still-beating heart

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A U.S. cage fighter ripped out the heart of his training partner while he was still alive after becoming convinced he was possessed by the devil, it was alleged today.

Jarrod Wyatt also cut out Taylor Powell's tongue and ripped off most of his face in a brutal assault that police said looked like a scene from a horror film, officers said.

They claim they found the 26-year-old standing naked over his friend's body with parts, including an eyeball, strewn around the blood splattered room in Klamath, California.

Wyatt allegedly told police he had drunk a cup of tea spiked with hallucinogenic mushrooms and became convinced Powell was possessed.

According to an autopsy Powell, 21, bled to death after his heart was ripped out.

The coroner said Powell had been alive when the organ was ripped out after his chest had been sliced open with a knife.

Wyatt told the police he thrown the heart into a fire along with other organs that he had removed from the body, it was claimed.

He allegedly told investigators he cooked the body parts because he was fearful Powell was still alive and he ‘needed to stop the Devil’.

Police had been called to the grisly scene after a third friend had witnessed a sudden mood change in Wyatt after they had all ingested wild mushroom tea.

Justin Davis told police he returned to the flat to find Wyatt naked and covered from head to toe in blood.

He noticed an eyeball lying in the middle of the floor and saw Powell's mutilated body.

A lawyer representing Wyatt has claimed the wild mushrooms caused him to act in such a violent way and had not control over his actions.

‘My client was trying to silence the devil,’ said James Fallman.

‘I think he was having a psychotic fit based on the mushrooms he had.’

Wyatt has been charged with first degree murder and torture.

Prosecutors added the torture charge as Powell was still alive when his heart was removed.

I bet this guy was into Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom a little bit to much

[Hakutaky]

Interesting.

[MrReinhardt]

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A lawyer representing Wyatt has claimed the wild mushrooms caused him to act in such a violent way and had not control over his actions.

‘My client was trying to silence the devil,’ said James Fallman.

‘I think he was having a psychotic fit based on the mushrooms he had.’

Wyatt has been charged with first degree murder and torture.

Prosecutors added the torture charge as Powell was still alive when his heart was removed.

he ingested the mushrooms willingly, his fault.

[firefeng]

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According to an autopsy Powell, 21, bled to death after his heart was ripped out.

Now, I'm no doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but it seems to me it would be pretty difficult to bleed to death after your heart is already removed.

This post has been edited by firefeng: 02 June 2010 - 08:35 AM

[Metticus]

wow ok no mushrooms for me then. dont wanna kill my room mate

[Cruzandercerberus]

[pathwriter]

firefeng, on 02 June 2010 - 08:34 AM, said:

Now, I'm no doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but it seems to me it would be pretty difficult to bleed to death after your heart is already removed.

Do you mean that it'd be pretty hard NOT to bleed to death in that situation? 'cause otherwise your statement isn't making a whole lot of sense.

Some people don't bleed to death when their still-beating heart is removed, though. They're on medical bypass machines in preparation for a transplant, however.

[Kay]

I will always remember when my high school teacher told the class of Charlotte Corday's execution and how fascinating it was to me that a severed head retained consciousness... but I digress.

At normal room temperature it would take about 4-6 minutes before irrevocable brain damage occurred after cessation of the heart, though I'm sure it took much less time for him to bleed out. (Which is why he "bled to death")

I wonder, though, if the muscle contractions could carry the remaining blood past the bifurcation of the common carotid (which I believe to be C4, though I could be mistaken and it was C3) and into the internal carotid..... perhaps giving the brain one last "breath", per say.

This post has been edited by Kay: 03 June 2010 - 01:18 AM

[Cruzandercerberus]

Jiu Jitsu blood chokes cause unconsciousness from restricting the carotid arteries in about 10-15 seconds. I'm willing to bet that's about how long he was conscious after his heart sustained major traumatic injury.

This post has been edited by Cruzandercerberus: 03 June 2010 - 08:36 AM

[draugo]

This is why I stick to MJ.

[Blackdragon46]

When reading the title to the thread, I honestly thought this would be about a guy who ripped his own heart out.

[Keylime]

Blackdragon46, on 03 June 2010 - 04:33 PM, said:

When reading the title to the thread, I honestly thought this would be about a guy who ripped his own heart out.

You sound disappointed.

[firefeng]

pathwriter, on 02 June 2010 - 02:15 PM, said:

Do you mean that it'd be pretty hard NOT to bleed to death in that situation? 'cause otherwise your statement isn't making a whole lot of sense.

Some people don't bleed to death when their still-beating heart is removed, though. They're on medical bypass machines in preparation for a transplant, however.

Explain to me the medical science of a heart that can still beat after being ripped from someone's body. Last I heard, that usually stops it, also conveniently preventing bleeding to death (although the end result of loss of bloodflow/oxygen to the brain is the same for both circumstances, but I'm assuming a stopped heart will kill someone faster than loss of blood, here...)

[pathwriter]

It wouldn't beat for long, but it's a huge chunk of muscle and spasm is a pretty normal response to trauma. I really have no idea what kind of point you're trying to make, though, and am entirely too bored to engage an argument past this post.

[Keylime]

I think the point Feng is trying to make is that you don't die of blood loss, but due to oxygen deprivation because the blood is not circulating.

[pathwriter]

That's about as sensible as saying that one didn't die of defenestration so much as sudden deceleration. It might be technically correct, but it's the kind of semantic nonsense argument that isn't worth the breath it takes to voice.

[treelo]

Keylime, on 06 June 2010 - 10:02 AM, said:

I think the point Feng is trying to make is that you don't die of blood loss, but due to oxygen deprivation because the blood is not circulating.

I disagree. The vast gaping hole in your chest merely increases the rate at which oxygen may enter my body. However, the lack of a heart and subsequent gushing of blood from that very same hole would render such superfluous amounts of oxygen useless. The body is not deprived of oxygen, it simply can't do anything with it. A healthy dose of leeches should solve this considerable malady.

[firefeng]

pathwriter, on 06 June 2010 - 10:19 AM, said:

That's about as sensible as saying that one didn't die of defenestration so much as sudden deceleration.

Or as sensible as suggesting one's cause of death is bleeding to death after their fucking heart has stopped. You may as well say that everyone who's died of a goddamn heart attack died of "blood loss".

This isn't an argument. This is my sheer befuddlement over how one may lose enough blood to die after one's non-functioning blood-pumping organ has lost its ability to spew blood out of one's wounds in the first place. The victim either died of blood loss before the heart was removed and stopped pumping, or they died of having their goddamn heart cut out. There's not really much middle ground, here...

[Kinrasha]

I am just trying to figure out how... somehow you all go to the logics of this and how he could bleed to death or what not...

and HOLY SH*T that had to have hurt, and been a major wtf moment.

[pathwriter]

firefeng, on 06 June 2010 - 01:21 PM, said:

This isn't an argument. This is my sheer befuddlement over how one may lose enough blood to die after one's non-functioning blood-pumping organ has lost its ability to spew blood out of one's wounds in the first place. The victim either died of blood loss before the heart was removed and stopped pumping, or they died of having their goddamn heart cut out. There's not really much middle ground, here...

If it comes to that, the primary cause of death in all humans is generally asphyxiation. Brain stops working because a bullet just aerated it, heart and lungs cut out, no more oxygen, muscles and organs die. Heart gets torn out manually, blood stops pumping, no more oxygen again. Exsanguination is just an optional step along the way to asphyxiation. Do you really consider it profitable to refer to most deaths as being asphyxiation, even though a coroner would put them down to myocardial infarction, brain hemorrhage, or exsanguination?