[Altanos]

Cream Soda, on 17 June 2010 - 05:11 PM, said:

Best i got was hhp+7 >.>

Ow. Buddy of mine went 1/1 on +5 accuracy =( I figure +5 Acc on Foragers is about as good as it get's for back piece on MNK, although I'm temtpted to just buy a Cuch mantle and forget all about augmenting.

What are your thoughts btw on PDT gear instead of Counterstance with the use of Perfect Counter?

[Palomaru]

fillerbunny9, on 17 June 2010 - 11:46 AM, said:

I just have to point out that it's a forced Counter. Guarding during casting does nothing to prevent interrupts, and is likely being confused with Shield for Paladin.

Err yeah forced counter is what I meant. I personally feel both are relatively worthless(NEVER procs when wanting to) so I just thought of the wrong thing when I was typing lol. Regardless I guess I just don't see the point all that much, I hardly was able to do stuff on my monk after the 2 hander update. And the few things I did do, having to use utsu wasn't even a huge issue for me. For my character, it just seems like monk is turning into a lower level content or low man content job. Hell even with low man stuff like nyzul(not sure if you would consider nyzul low man end game lol) My drg/sam is a MUCH more suitable job than my mnk/nin

[Cream Soda]

Altanos, on 17 June 2010 - 05:19 PM, said:

Ow. Buddy of mine went 1/1 on +5 accuracy =( I figure +5 Acc on Foragers is about as good as it get's for back piece on MNK, although I'm temtpted to just buy a Cuch mantle and forget all about augmenting.

What are your thoughts btw on PDT gear instead of Counterstance with the use of Perfect Counter?

i see perfect counter good for an oh shit situation. If you have support, what I like about CS is you get extra dmg from the counters. If I'm above 50% hp on anything that can't 1shot me I'll ride counters a bit and then toss ni up if I go below that and use ichi accordingly.

[Cream Soda]

On a side note, I like the art of DD tanking. Can't really see myself doing a PDT type of tanking on mnk. If I were gonna do that, I'd just go sam

[pathwriter]

Cream Soda, on 17 June 2010 - 06:45 PM, said:

On a side note, I like the art of DD tanking. Can't really see myself doing a PDT type of tanking on mnk. If I were gonna do that, I'd just go sam

Have to agree with this completely (although it'd be Ninja for me since I don't have Samurai finished up).

Seriously, it took me years to get over my fear of Counterstance, but once I did, I have found I love this JA. I still sorta turtle up when dealing with Campaign mobs because it lets me be more slack if I'm distracted or tank multiple mobs at once, but I'd really hate to give up Counterstance. Now for Mortal Revolution (I forget which Chariot that is, I never remember their names), I can definitely see myself dropping Counterstance. I'd even consider switching to Rabbit Pies for that and making do with lower Accuracy, which will be far less of an issue in a couple days if they give us real levels.

[Appie]

Campaign is pretty much the only spot where I use my PDT set. I'm fine and dandy solo, but as soon as more than 3 people come at the mob I'm eating so much TP moves (hiya stupid high dmg aoe's) that I always have to resort to no stance and PDT. Any other moment is usually a "hello whm in pt, I'm dying here" moment. Dunno how good Perfect Counter will be on Salv bosses, last time I did them (year+ ago?) I remember them being quite DA happy.

@augments, glad I didn't toss shit at that, I'll wait and see what SE has in store for gear magian trials.

[pathwriter]

Chariots don't Double Attack much, from what I recall, but they have friggin' Zanshin. Considering they're avoidance-tanked and Zanshin very irritatingly is programmed to proc on any kind of avoidance, it gives the impression of Double Attack. In the long run, the difference is pretty nominal because Perfect Counter will trigger the opportunity to Zanshin, but there are plenty of other things in the game that Monk can tank. But your point brings up why we'd still want to keep Counterstance active: a ~2/3 chance of Countering that Zanshin proc is a lot better than having to rely on our Counter rate twice in a row.

Of course, smart people should be able to cast Ichi, anyways. Ni has always been my go-to button when something is going wrong and I need shadows [i[right fucking now[/i].

[Banter]

Only times I don't normally use Counterstance are tanking Blob and Dyna-X. Both can take you down fast as hell with it up, so I just resort fo PDT gear here.