[Kaparu]

Fuckin' sucks to be you guys right now. Even if, before today, you could convince anyone to let you tank anything(which admittedly, you did just fine), shit's over and done now.

Sorry brahs

[pathwriter]

On what basis?

[Wildstriker]

"Enmity generation for the following spells has been adjusted:
Sleep / Sleep II / Dispel / Blind / Blind II / Bind"

I presume?

[Sakka_Valefor]

Meh, i could care less. I only use my NIN for soloing NMs and DDing(lol) in limbus when the LS is heavy on mages (all the time).

[Wildstriker]

Most Career Ninjas are now probably hoping that new Ninjutsu is enmity related.

[pathwriter]

How many people actually play like how Kaparu talks? I mean, I've never used Ninja as a serious tank, anyhow, but how many targets in this game can be considered "serious"? The vast majority of content that I saw people participating in over the past few months have been merits, Nyzul Isle, Salvage, merits, Dynamis, and merits. Einherjar barely squeaks by with a mention if "failing constantly in Tier 1" counts as doing something. The number of people engaging the various mind-numbing NM systems is pretty limited.

SE is pretty schizophrenic, either way. I can certainly see how, once again, they seem determined to reduce what little place Ninja still manages to cling to in this game, I just cannot fathom why. It's conceivable they'll finally get around to recognizing that either their tanking paradigm or their damage paradigm needs to change to accommodate Ninja again.

[Kaparu]

Not really sure where that come from.

[pathwriter]

Which, your deliberately retarded original post written in a way that diminishes the human species as a whole or my continued attacks on your insane pronouncements that your method and only yours is the one that is both widespread and correct? Even you acknowledged that Ninja is (or was -- who knows how far they've changed those spells, but it is obnoxious that they've effectively ruined all Enmity testing) an acceptable tank. The mainstream, as far as I saw, never latched onto the idea that Ninja is an ineffectual tank. Thing is, the vast majority of the mainstream's playtime is spent on things where tanks are, frankly, damned near optional. God knows, bringing a Paladin to a run through Nyzul Isle is almost begging to time out, not least because most Paladins don't understand that they can wear the same DPS gear as Warriors.

[Terrous]

Why bring a tank in Nyzul anyways?

[Kaparu]

Did you read what he said, or just skip to "Paladin to a Nyzul run"?

[Terrous]

I read it, and agreed with it all except for the part where bringing a pld tank to Nyzul is deserving of a time out, it should have been bringing anyone to specifically tank in Nyzul is deserving of a timeout.

[pathwriter]

Then you didn't read. If you note the sentence preceding that one, I stated that tanks are functionally optional for what most players do these days.

[Terrous]

Ok, guess I misunderstood that.

[Konda]

Depending on how they adjust the enmity on sleep (you never know, they might increase it), NIN/DRK didnt get hit that hard. Hopefully, they'll just nerf the VE part of the spell, but likely it'll be a reduction to both.

Although nowhere as useful, Aspir provides the same CE, but on a muuuuuuuuch longer recast.


Just replace bind with Hojo for:

stun > kuri > hojo > sleep/aspir


This isn't the end of NIN tanking imo (well, in the groups that still actually use NIN tank)

Afterall, we get this:

Aisha: Ichi
Uses the ninja tool, "soshi." Weakens an enemy's attack.

[Banter]

Unless that new spell gives a large enmity boost, you guys got probably got hit really hard. I was hoping they'd go the other way with it and let you guys tank better too

[Kaparu]

Konda, on 21 June 2010 - 04:51 PM, said:

Depending on how they adjust the enmity on sleep (you never know, they might increase it), NIN/DRK didnt get hit that hard. Hopefully, they'll just nerf the VE part of the spell, but likely it'll be a reduction to both.

Although nowhere as useful, Aspir provides the same CE, but on a muuuuuuuuch longer recast.


Just replace bind with Hojo for:

stun > kuri > hojo > sleep/aspir


This isn't the end of NIN tanking imo (well, in the groups that still actually use NIN tank)

Afterall, we get this:

Aisha: Ichi
Uses the ninja tool, "soshi." Weakens an enemy's attack.

Sorry Konda, I'm perfectly aware that ninja was a suitable tank up until today, but paladin is simply getting far too much for ninja to be worth anyone's time for more dangerous targets.

Don't feel bad, my pride and joy job/role combination died today too.

[Banter]

Kaparu, on 21 June 2010 - 05:18 PM, said:

Sorry Konda, I'm perfectly aware that ninja was a suitable tank up until today, but paladin is simply getting far too much for ninja to be worth anyone's time for more dangerous targets.

Don't feel bad, my pride and joy job/role combination died today too.

This is all assuming it got nerfed. Can hope that they just flipped some CE to VE here and there or something.

[Cyprias]

who knows, maybe it's just 10 VE/CE they adjusted.

[Banter]

Cyprias, on 21 June 2010 - 05:49 PM, said:

who knows, maybe it's just 10 VE/CE they adjusted.

Would be pretty worthless to do this really. If they're going to spend the time to adjust something like this, it'll be significant one way or another.

[Banter]

That said, it is SE after all.