[rambus]

at 80 you get stone V witch i been poking at what the formula is. when i put on +10 INT i got +23 damage as sch/whm.

this is to reflect the TiM seems to be higher then 2.0, my system i posted here:
http://killingifrit....182408-stone-v/

when i did sch/blm with 91 int ( since D int on a 1 int mob gives a 2.3 even amount207) i got 1031 in game when my system of answers should of made it 1032 so has some bugs.

regardless of that we are getting close to AM II power. if you assume a blm and you have 50 int over the mob, you gain 15 points closer to AM II's base, your difference would only be 69 base under AM II.

top off with subing rdm that grants magic attack II and convert.

then we got clear mind V at some point past 75.

be intersting how the rode to 99 plays out, at 80 though sch destories what other jobs have to offer.

the only thing it can not do is keep pace with a whm power in healing per second when heavy curing is needed.

now it is quite easy to hit 300 ench skill to max out phalanxx and such.

only downside is we can not have haste and magic attack bonus at the same time XD lest now.

i did not have time to take up other jobs yet so im not sure if they got upgraded traits or what water V's power is.

This post has been edited by rambus: 23 June 2010 - 07:33 PM

[.Sotek.]

Did Modus Veritas get nerfed again? I know it could miss before but I'm seeing it miss a whole lot (seriously, its like 1/3 misses now) more on mobs which aren't even fucking NMs.

Seriously, its fucking annoying. If they're going to make MV crap they can at least reduce the bloody recast (or make it so MV doesn't stack since you rarely see multiple SCHs anyway).

[rambus]

.Sotek., on 24 June 2010 - 01:24 PM, said:

Did Modus Veritas get nerfed again? I know it could miss before but I'm seeing it miss a whole lot (seriously, its like 1/3 misses now) more on mobs which aren't even fucking NMs.

Seriously, its fucking annoying. If they're going to make MV crap they can at least reduce the bloody recast (or make it so MV doesn't stack since you rarely see multiple SCHs anyway).

I have not tested, could been one of those update bugs like sneak attack from the frount or w/e

[Kleiner]

They've broken alot of stuff with their spaghetti code. For example, two or three of PUP's JAs now show the animations on the puppet (even ones intended for a monster) and have no effect.

Anyways though, more on subject, PUP with Stone V has proven to be some pretty sick damage. I'm interested to see how the rest of the spells will play out in a puppet's metal little hands.. cause Stone V is kind of destroying shit, what with their massive (and buffable) INT and strange formulas behind the attachments.

[.Sotek.]

It could just be that these are mobs I've never used Helices on, let alone Modus, but even then I'm sure it was only meant to be resisted on NMs.
I'm sure it used to say "The ### resists the effect of Modus Veritas" and not that it missed, as well.

I'm fairly disappointed with Stone V. It doesn't outdamage my Blizzard IV, though purely because I have no Obi for Stone nukes. I would go farm one but I hear Water V has higher base damage, which means there's really no point since eventually it will be weak again. I'd rather SE have made Tier V nukes all have the same base damage
On the subject of Obis, damn I wish SCH got a job trait for that (at level 45 so BLM can be more pissed they can't /SCH)

[rambus]

.Sotek., on 24 June 2010 - 01:40 PM, said:

It could just be that these are mobs I've never used Helices on, let alone Modus, but even then I'm sure it was only meant to be resisted on NMs.
I'm sure it used to say "The ### resists the effect of Modus Veritas" and not that it missed, as well.

I'm fairly disappointed with Stone V. It doesn't outdamage my Blizzard IV, though purely because I have no Obi for Stone nukes. I would go farm one but I hear Water V has higher base damage, which means there's really no point since eventually it will be weak again. I'd rather SE have made Tier V nukes all have the same base damage
On the subject of Obis, damn I wish SCH got a job trait for that (at level 45 so BLM can be more pissed they can't /SCH)

stone V is very powerful, try making the scales even XD

but ya i said that before for blm before sch came out long ago, its stupid to make new element stronger, then its just a cast thunder on everything or w/e since weakness for the most part dont mean shit

i just caped melee skill on a A+ rating.

my club and staff leveled like this
76:
235
235
77:
240
240

the A+ rating went 276>281, so the scaling seems a bit off >.>

This post has been edited by rambus: 24 June 2010 - 04:04 PM

[.Sotek.]

Modus seems completely broken now. Missing everything I use it on.

Also, how's best to go about using Convert and Sublimation? I assume charge Sublimation to full then Convert > Sublimation for ease, but going to zero(ish) MP then using Sublimation > Convert > recharge Sublimation would get the most out of Uggalepih Pendant, no?

And yeah I think I'll go farm Hpemde organs for stone obi when I get a significant buffer, little else left to do right now. Recapped Synergy and just waiting for information on where the fuck Regurgitated wings and Phrygian gold come from (Abyssea and WoE respectively if I'm right but I have zero people to do those with since my everyone's still leveling). I want my damn Yhel jacket +1 already. (Somewhat related, NQ Amphiptere resistant to sleep/bind/grav/etc?)

[pathwriter]

Regurgitated Wing is dropped by a sandworm NM in (I think) Abyssea - Tahrongi.

[.Sotek.]

Well I guess I can work out it's pop area easily enough, kill sandworms until a sodden sandworm husk drops and trade that to a ??? near where the sandworms are. Unless it follows a different pattern to the rest of the NMs I'm reading about. I should have 90 minutes of time in there so I guess I'll go see if the Sandworm camp pops a Glavoid later.
Phrygian Ore is a drop in WoE, but I'm hearing mixed views on that event so I'm not sure if that's good or bad news. Guess I need the craft information too, but I doubt it'll be something I can make anyway.
EDIT: Starting to suspect Glavoid is the sandworm mentioned in the CS. One of the other CSs mentions a Gigas with a gold helm and the trophies needed for the abyssea sword is Helm of Briareus, while dagger needs some Glavoid shells.
That puts Glavoid as a t3 or maybe even t4 (since we get a whole 5 second CS and quest for him) VNM in Abyssea Tahrongi. Oh fun
Could easily (hopefully) be a Key Item pop though. Carabosse gem is needed for one of the Abyssea Trials and I know Carabosse is popped with Key items.

[Hercule]

Dingued SCH 80 today,
Tried Stone V during Earth Day + weather + obi its fun :3



2 shot pudding

+ Convert SCH comming total amazing

This post has been edited by Hercule: 26 June 2010 - 11:26 PM

[Drakonite]

Quote

then we got clear mind V at some point past 75.

Can I get a confirmation on this? I know my WHM didn't get Clear mind V and both SCH and WHM get it at the same levels.

Also, since Stone V is getting close to AM, can we expect higher spells (Aero, Fire, Blizzard Thunder) to outdo AMII?

[rambus]

Drakonite, on 28 June 2010 - 01:37 AM, said:

Can I get a confirmation on this? I know my WHM didn't get Clear mind V and both SCH and WHM get it at the same levels.

Also, since Stone V is getting close to AM, can we expect higher spells (Aero, Fire, Blizzard Thunder) to outdo AMII?

I would not say something unless i tested it.

when i leveld up and see me getting mp much faster i took gear off got the 27>30 etc ( i did not test it till i was 80 but i seen that rapid mp gain before hitting 80)

IV and V is a big difference and easy noticable.

herei s 3 pics i took just now to remove all dought:





had a 76 sch test ti and they had it so...

a whm said their auto regen was upgraded

yes, i need a blm to get me water V numbers to estmate the tread, but you can expect aero V to be close ( it would be less or more depending on D-Dint) and fire V would jsut kill them.

the info i linked for stone V fromula my numers and calualtions based off /whm having no mab so it is easy. i want someone to double check though because when i subed blm i was 1 point of damage off and explain why i was off.

This post has been edited by rambus: 28 June 2010 - 11:10 PM

[Drakonite]

Yep, tested it under a level sync 76. Surprised only SCH gets it and not WHM, since they usually had it at the same level.

[MattelotLeviathan]

Why do people blank out how much gil they have?

[rambus]

.Sotek., on 26 June 2010 - 12:15 AM, said:

Modus seems completely broken now. Missing everything I use it on.

Also, how's best to go about using Convert and Sublimation? I assume charge Sublimation to full then Convert > Sublimation for ease, but going to zero(ish) MP then using Sublimation > Convert > recharge Sublimation would get the most out of Uggalepih Pendant, no?

And yeah I think I'll go farm Hpemde organs for stone obi when I get a significant buffer, little else left to do right now. Recapped Synergy and just waiting for information on where the fuck Regurgitated wings and Phrygian gold come from (Abyssea and WoE respectively if I'm right but I have zero people to do those with since my everyone's still leveling). I want my damn Yhel jacket +1 already. (Somewhat related, NQ Amphiptere resistant to sleep/bind/grav/etc?)

SE is retarded

a 10 min ja should not miss no matter the situation, at the same time that makes those merits usless, i am pissed for meriting that now

oneshoting a pod:

This post has been edited by rambus: 01 July 2010 - 03:12 AM

[Pofo]

I'm loving Stone V, it's so broken, I'm just amazed and annoyed at all the people bitching about how supposedly "weak" it is?



On a side note, AM II can go fuck itself now

I'm thinking once I finish the Trial for the +25% Earth Potency Staff and SE fixes my Ebur (Maybe in this Emergency maint that starts in 20 mins ><) I should be able to deal upwards of 3200+, and 3500+ if I put Earth Magic critical hit rate on my Ebur. Don't even get me started on Shantotto Legs with MaB +4, Magic Crit Damage +10%. All in all, very satisfied with Stone V, I just can't wait to see how powerfull Water V, Fire V, etc is in the next upcoming updates.

Also, has anyone effectively tested out the Zidoac Ring and found it to be similar to Sorcerer's tonban (5% More DMG when Dealing same magic on day)? I'm working on WoTG Questlines today, wasn't having much luck with responces for the fights but hopefully I'll have it by the end of the weekend.

This post has been edited by Pofo: 01 July 2010 - 10:46 AM

[rambus]

Pofo, on 01 July 2010 - 10:42 AM, said:

I'm loving Stone V, it's so broken, I'm just amazed and annoyed at all the people bitching about how supposedly "weak" it is?



On a side note, AM II can go fuck itself now

I'm thinking once I finish the Trial for the +25% Earth Potency Staff and SE fixes my Ebur (Maybe in this Emergency maint that starts in 20 mins ><) I should be able to deal upwards of 3200+, and 3500+ if I put Earth Magic critical hit rate on my Ebur. Don't even get me started on Shantotto Legs with MaB +4, Magic Crit Damage +10%. All in all, very satisfied with Stone V, I just can't wait to see how powerfull Water V, Fire V, etc is in the next upcoming updates.

Also, has anyone effectively tested out the Zidoac Ring and found it to be similar to Sorcerer's tonban (5% More DMG when Dealing same magic on day)? I'm working on WoTG Questlines today, wasn't having much luck with responces for the fights but hopefully I'll have it by the end of the weekend.

who is saying its weak? random people in game? i got that before " stone V is weak because stone is weak " its a retarded mind set.

am II is stronger, by base anyway main reason it outdoes it is you buff your self nad ebullience

[Pofo]

rambus, on 01 July 2010 - 02:36 PM, said:

who is saying its weak? random people in game? i got that before " stone V is weak because stone is weak " its a retarded mind set.

am II is stronger, by base anyway main reason it outdoes it is you buff your self and ebullience

In a sense you're right, but when I look at AM II I just see a royal waste of MP. Really, how much more powerfull is AM II over Tier V's? And how many BLMs actually have the equip to actually make it worth casting, 95% of all BLMs are garbage. I'm just satisfied to have something compairable to AM II while still being MP efficient, 111 MP under parsimony, 200 MP for ebullience, as opposed to AM II's what? 289?

But yeah I hear alot of crying about Stone V being weak, granted, these are people who do like 1,400 Stone V's to puddings. The spell itself has alot of potential on our current level cap, being so close to the power of AM II under sandstorm and not having such a rediculous recast time or MP cost. If people actually SC>MBed like SE is trying so hard for us to do and failing at it, then maybe I'd give AM II some credibility as a usefull spell, but when you have people at exp pts/camps who spam Burst II and Freeze II, it just makes me laugh and kick them. So all in all, In my personal oppinion, Stone V > AM II in overral versatility and usefullness.

And lastly, Fuck you square enix, yet another emergency maint (4th now?), and my ebur set is still broken.

[Banter]

Main reason why you guys should use Stone V is Desert boots.

[rambus]

Pofo, on 01 July 2010 - 10:19 PM, said:

In a sense you're right, but when I look at AM II I just see a royal waste of MP. Really, how much more powerfull is AM II over Tier V's? And how many BLMs actually have the equip to actually make it worth casting, 95% of all BLMs are garbage. I'm just satisfied to have something compairable to AM II while still being MP efficient, 111 MP under parsimony, 200 MP for ebullience, as opposed to AM II's what? 289?

But yeah I hear alot of crying about Stone V being weak, granted, these are people who do like 1,400 Stone V's to puddings. The spell itself has alot of potential on our current level cap, being so close to the power of AM II under sandstorm and not having such a rediculous recast time or MP cost. If people actually SC>MBed like SE is trying so hard for us to do and failing at it, then maybe I'd give AM II some credibility as a usefull spell, but when you have people at exp pts/camps who spam Burst II and Freeze II, it just makes me laugh and kick them. So all in all, In my personal oppinion, Stone V > AM II in overral versatility and usefullness.

And lastly, Fuck you square enix, yet another emergency maint (4th now?), and my ebur set is still broken.

oh i agree i wish i can get someone to cast some water V though to see the potonal climb in V spells but i do estmate that aero V may be able to mach am IIs in favorable d int situations where fire V would just cream them.

with water V already out to blms what will awat at 99? VI spells? i think they need to change what we acess though addendum: black as well.

as far as your set why do you feel it is broken? did you math it out to see your not getting all your stats or something?

im more concerned with making modus veritas meruts usless. shows you how smart SE is.