[thunderblazeFF14]

Vangoh32, on 05 July 2010 - 01:02 AM, said:

wow that's too damn expensive and I don't know shit about computers....guess I'll be asking a friend or whoever around here see if I can get it cheaper...

That's not expensive. If you get cheap, expect shitty performance.

[Corrderio]

Well, the only things I need are a better processor (1.80 Ghz) and a better video card (Nividia 8x). More RAM would be nice to.

However like you said Ase, i should scrap my PC ASAP.

[thunderblazeFF14]

Corrderio, on 05 July 2010 - 09:48 AM, said:

Well, the only things I need are a better processor (1.80 Ghz) and a better video card (Nividia 8x). More RAM would be nice to.

However like you said Ase, i should scrap my PC ASAP.

Might as well build a new PC lol.

1.8ghz is ancient man, especially if you're talking single core.

[octoberasian]

If you notice the CPU and GPU list, and it's probably not complete, but don't expect to run FFXIV on the following based on the system requirements:

• Any netbook or thin-and-light laptop
  • Lower speed processors - less than 2.0 GHz
  • Integrated GPU - Nvidia Ion, Intel GMA, low-end/low power ATI or Nvidia GPU
  • Low memory - No more than 4 GB, 1 or 2 GB normally
• Any single-core CPU older than 5 years
• Any computer older than 5 years, especially those built before 2008
• Any budget CPU such as Celeron (Intel) or Sempron (AMD)
• Any DESKTOP dual core CPU below 2.0 GHz-- this is the cutoff
• Any DESKTOP quad core CPU below 2.0 GHz; and any LAPTOP quad core CPU below 1.6 GHz
• Any single core CPU clocked below 3.6 to 3.7 GHz
• Any LAPTOP dual core CPU below 2.0 GHz
• ALL low-voltage, ultra low-voltage, and CULV processors
• Any Nvidia video card made before February 2008 (9600 GT release)
• Any ATI video card made before May 2007 (2900 XT release)
• Any GPU made by Intel, Via, SiS, Matrox
• Any BUDGET DESKTOP GPU made by ATI (2900, 3850, 4670, or 5570 are the lowest you can go in their respective families)
  
• Any BUDGET DESKTOP GPU made by Nvidia (9600, 240, or 330 are the lowest you can go in their respective families)
• Any INTEGRATED GPU built by ATI or Nvidia with no dedicated memory to itself
• Any LAPTOP GPU lower than a desktop-equivalent performance of a Nvidia 9600, 240, 330, or 465; or ATI 2900, 3870, 4670, 5570
• Any BUDGET desktop computer (full system excluding monitor) under $650 USD
• Any laptop computer below $1100 to $1200 (approximate for mid-range laptops with dedicated GPU)
  

[Caerai]

So the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4530 Series won't cut it ;-)?

[siscothekid]

From original topic:

will this run ff14?

with a better video card of course
http://www.bestbuy.c...3&skuId=9698918

This post has been edited by octoberasian: 05 July 2010 - 04:02 PM

[thunderblazeFF14]

siscothekid, on 05 July 2010 - 03:15 PM, said:

with a better video card of course
http://www.bestbuy.c...3&skuId=9698918

Yes with a better video card, but you could build a much better computer yourself.

Edit: If you buy that, have fun removing all the crap that comes on a retail PC that slows it down. FYI Gateway sucks too.

This post has been edited by thunderblazeFF14: 05 July 2010 - 03:24 PM

[siscothekid]

thunderblazeFF14, on 05 July 2010 - 03:23 PM, said:

Yes with a better video card, but you could build a much better computer yourself.

Edit: If you buy that, have fun removing all the crap that comes on a retail PC that slows it down. FYI Gateway sucks too.

can you recomend anything that doesnt have to be built i have a dell xps410

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[thunderblazeFF14]

siscothekid, on 05 July 2010 - 03:27 PM, said:

can you recomend anything that doesnt have to be built i have a dell xps410

Why don't you want to build a computer? It's really easy to do, but if you insist on wasting money and buying one, one moment.


Edit: Nevermind, these prebuilt PCs make me cry. You're way better off building one yourself.

This post has been edited by thunderblazeFF14: 05 July 2010 - 03:33 PM

[siscothekid]

thunderblazeFF14, on 05 July 2010 - 03:28 PM, said:

Why don't you want to build a computer? It's really easy to do, but if you insist on wasting money and buying one, one moment.


Edit: Nevermind, these prebuilt PCs make me cry. You're way better off building one yourself.

Well i pry could i would have no idea what to buy though and were to get it also i dont have a legit windows cd

[thunderblazeFF14]

siscothekid, on 05 July 2010 - 03:34 PM, said:

Well i pry could i would have no idea what to buy though and were to get it also i dont have a legit windows cd

You need the following
CPU
GPU
PSU
Motherboard
Case
Memory Modules (aka RAM)
Windows OS OEM version is cheapest
DVD drive
Hard Drive


Example:
CPU: http://www.newegg.co...3-727-_-Product 180
GPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102858 160 (after rebate, without: 170)
HD: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822148451 44
Memory Modules (4gb ddr3): http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145260 90(with rebate, without: 100)
MB: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813130250 80
Case: 90
PSU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817371025 99
Dvd drive: 22 (if you already have one can slap it in, save 22 bucks)
Win 7 OEM OS: http://www.newegg.co...6-754-_-Product 95 (win7 home is free for students i believe)

[octoberasian]

siscothekid, on 05 July 2010 - 03:15 PM, said:

From original topic:

will this run ff14?

with a better video card of course
http://www.bestbuy.c...3&skuId=9698918

That system may run FF14, but don't expect performance to be great or spectacular, and don't expect to play the game at high resolutions with all the effects on.

It's almost similar to the system I configured below for another person for $700-ish, except it has a better video card.

octoberasian, on 05 July 2010 - 05:46 AM, said:

Intel

CPU - Core i3 530
RAM - A-DATA 4 GB DDR3 (2 GB x2)
Video Card - PowerColor Radeon HD 5670 (512 MB VRAM)
OS - Windows 7 Home Premium OEM
DVD-RW - ASUS DVDRW
Motherboard - ASRock H55M-LE
Case - Antec Three Hundred
HDD - WD 640 GB
PSU - Enermax 500W

Total = $690.72

After Tax/Shipping to California = $760.68

AMD

Remove the Core i3 530 and motherboard, then add an AMD Athlon II X3 440 and an MSI 870-G45 motherboard, you get the following:

Total = $625.87

After Tax/Shipping to California = $690.30

[Damanexor]

That benchmark is a very misleading and bad tool for judging your PC's 'expected' performance for a game.

I just received an 1151 on high resolution

I'm running:

Intel Quad Core 2 2.83GHZ OC'd to 3.0GHz
64-bit Windows Vista
4GB DDR2 Corsair Dominator PC2-6400 (400 MHz) (probably going to throw another 4GB in before release date)
ATI Radeon HD 4870X2

Any idea why my results are showing up this way?

Nothing else is running...

[octoberasian]

Damanexor, on 05 July 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

That benchmark is a very misleading and bad tool for judging your PC's 'expected' performance for a game.

I just received an 1151 on high resolution

I'm running:

Intel Quad Core 2 2.83GHZ OC'd to 3.0GHz
64-bit Windows Vista
4GB DDR2 Corsair Dominator PC2-6400 (400 MHz) (probably going to throw another 4GB in before release date)
ATI Radeon HD 4870X2

Any idea why my results are showing up this way?

Nothing else is running...

My best guess has to be the 4870X2 and most likely the benchmark cannot run with more than 1 GPU. I bet if you disable one of the GPUs in Catalyst Control Center, you'll probably get a higher score.

I'm going to put a warning above Uraginimono's quote in the opening post about not using the benchmark as a determiner of whether your computer will run FF14 or not. Everything I've written here so far is based on the current listed system requirements from the FF14 website.

[octoberasian]

Caerai, on 05 July 2010 - 02:23 PM, said:

So the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4530 Series won't cut it ;-)?

Mobility Radeon 4530:

Core configuration: 80(16x5):8:4

Core clock: 500 MHz

Memory clock: 700 MHz
Memory: 512 MB
Bandwidth: 11.2 GB/sec

Its "desktop-equivalent" is a Radeon 4550:

Core configuration: 80(16x5):8:4

Core clock: 600 MHz

Memory clock: 800 MHz
Memory: 512 MB
Bandwidth: 12.8 GB/sec

Using this chart: http://www.videocard...et/gpu_list.php
(Those are NON-real life scenario tests but a brute test of the GPU's performance.)

Radeon 4550 scores 354 points
Mobility Radeon 4530 scores 258 points

The Mobility Radeon is a lower clocked 4550, hence the lower score.

If we use the minimum requirements for FF14 which require a Radeon 2900 or Nvidia 9600. then we get the following:
- Radeon 2900 : The card scores 742 points for XT model and 507 for the GT model.
- Nvidia 9600: 526 for the 9600 GS and 928 for the 9600 GT.

The 4550/4530 won't cut it. It performs LOWER than either of the two cards offered by ATI or Nvidia.

The lowest Mobility Radeon in the 4000-family you could possibly go is a Mobility Radeon 4650/4670 GPU, no lower. You are more than likely cannot play FF14 at a high resolution with that GPU though, but it'll probably be playable at low settings and low resolution. It probably won't look pretty.

If you run the FF14 Benchmark on your laptop, ignore the benchmark scores in the end but see how well the card performs graphically and audio-wise.

Does the framerate skip? Is the framerate stable and at least near-constant? (i.e.- constant 30 fps, etc.)
Does one scene smoothly change from one to another?
Does the audio skip or sound off cue?

Etc. Etc.

[Logan Draconia]

I'd like to point out that the guide shouldn't completely ignore the GeForce 8000 series, most notably GeForce 8800GT. According to the official benchmarks posted on here, the GeForce 9600GT is rank 55 overall where as the 8800GT is 51 overall, meaning the 8800GT is stronger. Also, you can make it even better through overclocking.

It's also a cheap card these days. I bought mine last year for $88. It's cheaper now.

[octoberasian]

Logan Draconia, on 05 July 2010 - 06:25 PM, said:

I'd like to point out that the guide shouldn't completely ignore the GeForce 8000 series, most notably GeForce 8800GT. According to the official benchmarks posted on here, the GeForce 9600GT is rank 55 overall where as the 8800GT is 51 overall, meaning the 8800GT is stronger. Also, you can make it even better through overclocking.

It's also a cheap card these days. I bought mine last year for $88. It's cheaper now.

I noticed that too in the benchmarks and wondered why SE didn't consider them.

My only thinking is because they're an older generation, and the second fact is that many 8800 series cards have been modified (slightly) and re-branded as 9800 series cards, and into 250 series as well.

Therefore, I made the following changes:

Quote

From Nvidia:

• (GeForce 8800 GT, 8800 GTS, 8800 GTX) *
• GeForce 9600-series (ALL)
• GeForce 9800-series (ALL)
• GeForce Go 9800M
• GeForce 240, 250, 260, 275, 280, 285, 295-series
• GeForce 260M (Desktop-equivalent: 9800 GT), 280M (Desktop-equivalent: 9800 GTX), 285M (Desktop-equivalent: 9800 GTX+)
• GeForce 335M
• GeForce 480M (Desktop-equivalent: 465/470GTX)
• GeForce 465 GTX, 470 GTX, and 480 GTX

* Note: Even though the 8800 series is not included in the system requirements, you may be able to run FFXIV on three specific models-- 8800 GT, GTS and GTX. Also, take into consideration the fact that Nvidia has re-branded many video cards, and either kept the core design the same or improved them in power consumption and heat dissipation (TDP).

For example, the 250 GT is a 9800 GT, which is also an 8800 GT. The 9800 GTX/GTX+ is a 250 GTS, where the 9800 GTX is a 8800 GTS/GTX. Keep these in mind that when you buy a video card, it may have a GPU core based on a previous generation. The newest GPU architecture from Nvidia is the GF200 for the 400 GTX-series: 465 GTX, 470 GTX, and 480 GTX.

[siscothekid]

octoberasian, on 05 July 2010 - 06:41 PM, said:

I noticed that too in the benchmarks and wondered why SE didn't consider them.

My only thinking is because they're an older generation, and the second fact is that many 8800 series cards have been modified (slightly) and re-branded as 9800 series cards, and into 250 series as well.

Therefore, I made the following changes:

damn trying to buy a new computer is like buying a new car ><
is there any built pc at a decent price i can buy that will run ff14 i dont need max settings but i want it to run smooth?
im not lazy im just old school aka didnt keep up with computer changes.

and if i can buy it from BB eaven better ill be using my moms card

This one any good?
http://www.bestbuy.c...6&skuId=9925611

This post has been edited by siscothekid: 05 July 2010 - 07:18 PM

[kowen]

Remember, the benchmark program is being put out by NVIDIA, not Square Enix. I wouldn't be surprised if they purposely give misleading scores to try and get people into purchasing new video cards.

Even though it rarely went below 60 FPS, my benchmark score on low was ~3700, only "fairly" good.

[octoberasian]

siscothekid, on 05 July 2010 - 07:15 PM, said:

damn trying to buy a new computer is like buying a new car ><
is there any built pc at a decent price i can buy that will run ff14 i dont need max settings but i want it to run smooth?
im not lazy im just old school aka didnt keep up with computer changes.

and if i can buy it from BB eaven better ill be using my moms card

This one any good?
http://www.bestbuy.c...6&skuId=9925611

The problem with that one is right on the Specifications tab:

Quote

• Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 9100
• Video Memory 256MB (shared); up to 3838MB total available as allocated by Windows 7

It's a 9100, integrated with shared memory. It's below the Nvidia 9600 required by SE.

If you don't care how fancy FF14 will look but just want it to run, and for convenience buy it at Best Buy, I can make a few suggestions if you can give me a price that you can afford.

kowen, on 05 July 2010 - 07:25 PM, said:

Remember, the benchmark program is being put out by NVIDIA, not Square Enix. I wouldn't be surprised if they purposely give misleading scores to try and get people into purchasing new video cards.

Even though it rarely went below 60 FPS, my benchmark score on low was ~3700, only "fairly" good.

That's why I put a notice not to pay attention to the benchmark scores but the real time graphics rendering of the game itself. Just see if the game runs smoothly on your computer, that's all that matters for basics and simplicity.