[Banter]

Avarghaladion, on 03 September 2010 - 10:36 PM, said:

Kinda a necropost but just starting relic trials and it is not fun. Its extremely boring and massively time consuming which is really retarded with FFXIV coming out. I really hope I get these done before then.

It's a relic, they're not supposed to be easy. Deal with it, pussy.

[Taint]

Banter, on 04 September 2010 - 01:40 AM, said:

It's a relic, they're not supposed to be easy. Deal with it, pussy.

No Bantor they are retarded, require 0 skill, 0 cooperation and are far too time consuming. Esp in the case of Apoc, similar weapons can be had at a far more casual pace and done with a group.

[Avarghaladion]

Banter, on 04 September 2010 - 01:40 AM, said:

It's a relic, they're not supposed to be easy. Deal with it, pussy.

lolno... just no.

This is VERY easy lol. Its just stupid. Like taint said. Anyone can sit there non-stop and kill EP mobs all day. The point is that its ridiculous, detracts from any aspect of fun in the game, and makes it difficult to do other things for 1.5-2+ months. Also its a lot easier for some jobs than others. Gotta suck to own multiple relics with this crap.

[Taint]

Avarghaladion, on 04 September 2010 - 08:10 AM, said:

lolno... just no.

This is VERY easy lol. Its just stupid. Like taint said. Anyone can sit there non-stop and kill EP mobs all day. The point is that its ridiculous, detracts from any aspect of fun in the game, and makes it difficult to do other things for 1.5-2+ months. Also its a lot easier for some jobs than others. Gotta suck to own multiple relics with this crap.

Yeah I was an attest away from Bow relic, but went 0/25 in glacier. If they fix these trials I'll def do a second relic.

[Avarghaladion]

oman Taint... when I first started doing the trials I thought to myself that DRK would be the absolute shittiest to do the trials on. What did you sub Apoc trial?

[Taint]

Avarghaladion, on 04 September 2010 - 09:30 AM, said:

oman Taint... when I first started doing the trials I thought to myself that DRK would be the absolute shittiest to do the trials on. What did you sub Apoc trial?

SAM

[Banter]

These trials aren't a whole lot less difficult than actually putting together the relic in the first place.

[Avarghaladion]

Depends how you do it. I guess my main beef though is that this trial process feels a little lazy and its not very challenging. It would be really cool/fun if they made some challenging fights that went with the story of your relic or the character that used to wield it. Something with cutscenes the doesn't involve mindless killing weak mobs. I'd like it to be challenging but fun. The only challenge to this is balancing life around killing easy prey for a minimum of 2hrs a day.

[Taint]

Banter, on 04 September 2010 - 12:07 PM, said:

These trials aren't a whole lot less difficult than actually putting together the relic in the first place.

Completely disagree my Relic was LS funded about 30 people worked together to make it happen, not to mention the outside support. For a lot of the currency, test, frag a group gathered, got drops and had fun together. Back then nothing was guarenteed and dynamis was still a fun event.

With the trials nothing is learned, no skill is gained and you can't even do it with others. I'd rather it be a super hard mob 20x then 2000 EPs.

[Aeonknight]

Taint, on 04 September 2010 - 02:04 PM, said:

With the trials nothing is learned, no skill is gained and you can't even do it with others. I'd rather it be a super hard mob 20x then 2000 EPs.

Until you end up last on the list of other people who need 50 of the item you want too. And it's usually a long ass list, depending on your LS size.

2000 EP's sounds pretty good right about now compared to Empyrian.

just my 2 cents.

[Taint]

Aeonknight, on 04 September 2010 - 02:15 PM, said:

Until you end up last on the list of other people who need 50 of the item you want too. And it's usually a long ass list, depending on your LS size.

2000 EP's sounds pretty good right about now compared to Empyrian.

just my 2 cents.

Sounds about the same as a LS farmed/funded relic. And people without a relic don't realize the scope of it. 5000 mobs at 50-60 an hour. That's after you popped off 1500 WSs on another set of mobs. Add that to LS events, making gil and doing stuff like CB,Quest,expansion missions and you have a full time job playing the game. In 4 days there will be even more to do. Don't get me wrong Relics are not casual items but I pay 4+ hours a day and am on the 3rd trial.

[Avarghaladion]

I agree that the Empyreon are completely ridiculous and I think that at the very least its nice that the relics are soloable, but like Taint said, its insanely time consuming and not in the least bit challenging. What would have been fun, awesome, and actually made sense would be a few small story scenes about your relic followed by challenging relic-specific BCNM fights. That would have been badass and they could even make them one-man BCNMs. I've always wanted a BCNM where you fight yourself, like Cecil in FFIV. Really -anything- creative in any way would be welcome. I find this very lazy on the part of the developers.

Another annoying thing about the trial is that there's sorta a quasi-deadline on it. If we don't get to 80 b4 the 85 cap there's even more work to do. Also, anyone wanting to get a relic from this point on is pretty much boned and getting mutiple relics from now on and expecting to get them to 99 is unthinkable if the trials remain this time consuming. I had a lot of fun getting the relic in the first place so its a bit of a let down that the trial is pure soul-sucking anti-fun.

For a bit of perspective on this stuff, picture soloing between 20-35 merit points worth of xp without using your most powerful weaponskill and having to be careful that your weaponskill is what deals the killing blow. Factor in that the trials don't consider the job's solo capability, or the effectiveness of the relic's weaponskill. My favourite is Yagrush haha kill 1500 dragons with Mystic Boon. What a kick in the nuts, even if there are puks.

[Arkanethered]

But I love soloing 10+ merits at 1-2k/hr... ; ;

[Dartalion]

Arkanethered, on 04 September 2010 - 07:52 PM, said:

But I love soloing 10+ merits at 1-2k/hr... ; ;

shut up pussy!!!!

i kid i kid seriously i kid!

Honestly i'm dreading finishing anni atm. Still have a bit to go (17 monti for stage 4 need frag, bynes are stage5 so not worried about those they're easy to get)

kclub + mules should make it easier like it has for drk, still i've actually not logged on because i just didn't want to deal with the bullshit of doing another 200 kills that day after spending 8 1/2 hours at the office and i'm just tired mentally. I'll do it, but its turned the game into a boring grind. Its always been a grind but one that never bothered me. Its just odd, to me at least, that I've been avoiding logging on due to magians looming.

[Avarghaladion]

I just ran into a guy trialling Claustrum /projectilevomit. That must be so painful.

[Banter]

Avarghaladion, on 04 September 2010 - 09:45 PM, said:

I just ran into a guy trialling Claustrum /projectilevomit. That must be so painful.

To be honest, I bet it's easier to do Claustrum solo than it is Apoc.

[Goshtin]

you'd be crazy to do a relic now.. apoc even isn't gonna be all that handy when they let everyone snap up 25% gear haste with a cor...
what're we left with... drain aspect? /shrug.. the WS itself isnt even THAT powerful..
I havent even started birds yet.. I've done like.. 12 just by coincidence..#
it just aint fun >_>

[Banter]

Goshtin, on 05 September 2010 - 03:35 AM, said:

you'd be crazy to do a relic now.. apoc even isn't gonna be all that handy when they let everyone snap up 25% gear haste with a cor...
what're we left with... drain aspect? /shrug.. the WS itself isnt even THAT powerful..
I havent even started birds yet.. I've done like.. 12 just by coincidence..#
it just aint fun >_>

Welcome to the world of almost every single other relic.

[Dartalion]

Banter, on 05 September 2010 - 03:47 AM, said:

Welcome to the world of almost every single other relic.

it'll still be king for drk for the simple fact that it lets you dickride hasso on mobs that probably hit too hard for other jobs to ride hasso on, but cata drain keeps us alive.

well until i get randomly 1 shot by a 2k+ ws but oh welllll lol

[Arkanethered]

So any bets on what our next sets of mobs are going to be? We have not gotten amorphs, vermin, plantoids, dragons, beasts, or arcana yet. Wednesday and 4000+ mobs is only a few hours away.