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To me it was a bit more complex then coming up for an idea like i had for protect and shell and this is the best I can come up with.



Make all AM II learnable by a 75 BLM.

The AM II merits would now read "Boosts XXX elemental accuracy by 5 and increase XXX magic burst damage by 3"
this also fixes the retarded grammar problem that the AM II merits have.

V spells would make AM II obsolete so something needs to be done to make that exp sink useful

This post has been edited by rambus: 12 July 2010 - 07:41 AM

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Nothing's being done to make all the massive timesunk into various weapons and gear obsolete, so I don't see why SE would change them.

And if they're obsolete because of Tier Vs who gives a shit if people have them or not?
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View Postevilpaul, on 12 July 2010 - 12:59 PM, said:

Nothing's being done to make all the massive timesunk into various weapons and gear obsolete, so I don't see why SE would change them.

And if they're obsolete because of Tier Vs who gives a shit if people have them or not?

you mean stuff you can re-sell? that is flawed.

the update didnt make other merits crap so why do blm and whm get shafted? ( well and SCH with modus veritas merits only because SE nurfed that to the ground when ti was not needed)

I sold my m kirs, my hagun, my blau before that crap tanked, not seeing it would shows lack of forsight.

now the question is will those weapons be matts for future upgrades? who knows but the loss outwight the potential gain. too much of a risk

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I'm talking about things like abjuration sets, Sky gear, King gear, Did you spend lots of time getting Homam? You can now buy better than Homam stuff on the AH or join an Abyssea party and get it really quickly.
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View Postevilpaul, on 18 July 2010 - 11:31 AM, said:

I'm talking about things like abjuration sets, Sky gear, King gear, Did you spend lots of time getting Homam? You can now buy better than Homam stuff on the AH or join an Abyssea party and get it really quickly.


i am going to try this again

GEAR =/= MERITS

what other jobs suffer getting merits useless others one that has spells?

you honestly think my triplpe attack merits would become useless or something? you hear of a concept called BALANCE?
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You said:

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Make all AM II learnable by a 75 BLM.

Which means I ding 75 Black Mage I suddenly get all the AM2 spells, right?

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the update didnt make other merits crap so why do blm and whm get shafted? ( well and SCH with modus veritas merits only because SE nurfed that to the ground when ti was not needed)

Many jobs have downright retarded or utterly shitty merits.

Name a single useful merit that Ninja gets? Subtle Blow+5? Stronger Hyotons? Sange? :San spell?s NIN gets shit.

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The AM II merits would now read "Boosts XXX elemental accuracy by 5 and increase XXX magic burst damage by 3"
this also fixes the retarded grammar problem that the AM II merits have.

V spells would make AM II obsolete so something needs to be done to make that exp sink useful

If Tier V spells make AM2 obsolete what the fuck difference is that supposed to make? You don't have Thunder V right now, so Square-Enix is supposed to change Burst II merits to do pretty much exactly what they already do?

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Nothing's being done to make all the massive timesunk into various weapons and gear obsolete, so I don't see why SE would change them.

And if they're obsolete because of Tier Vs who gives a shit if people have them or not?

And you replied with this:

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you mean stuff you can re-sell? that is flawed.

the update didnt make other merits crap so why do blm and whm get shafted? ( well and SCH with modus veritas merits only because SE nurfed that to the ground when ti was not needed)

I sold my m kirs, my hagun, my blau before that crap tanked, not seeing it would shows lack of forsight.

now the question is will those weapons be matts for future upgrades? who knows but the loss outwight the potential gain. too much of a risk


I replied, yet again clarifying, as you continue to change what you're talking about:

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I'm talking about things like abjuration sets, Sky gear, King gear, Did you spend lots of time getting Homam? You can now buy better than Homam stuff on the AH or join an Abyssea party and get it really quickly.

These are pieces of gear that take a long time to get (aka a "timesink") that you can't re-sell and many are now outdated, outclassed, or worthless. Just like the EXP you spent unlocking the AM2 spells you're bitching about.

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i am going to try this again

GEAR =/= MERITS

what other jobs suffer getting merits useless others one that has spells?

you honestly think my triplpe attack merits would become useless or something? you hear of a concept called BALANCE?

Gear = Time.

Merits = Time.

By mathological sciencey stuff:
Gear = Merits = Time.

QED.

The game is moving on. Deal with it. Many things, both merits and gear that people spent lots of time getting are going to become useless. Quit playing FFXI if it bothers you that much or deal with it.

I'll again repeat my original reply: What the fuck difference does it make if Square-Enix gives everyone unlocked AM2s? You said yourself Tier Vs make them useless.

Supposing for the sake of argument that it's terrible that ONLY Black Mage and White Mage are getting horribly fucked over by their Group 2 merits your suggestion does nothing to fix that.
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Wow, I love how heated some of these battles get in public chat forums cuz everyone wants to prove their right!!! Especially taking to time to cut and paste different sections of different comments. That's hard corp. Even if I wanted to post an arguement to what you just said, I'd be affraid you would take a lot of needless time out of your day to prove me wrong!!! I sorta like your idea Rambus. I think that would solve a lot of issues. BUT, every blm in the world has only unlocked Burst and Freeze 2 for the sake that they are the strongest two, regardless. And most likely went 5/5 on each. Unless you're a "do massive damage on Kirin nut and did 5/5 on Tornado II. So For now, Tier V nukes give you a chance to exploit other weaknesses for once. I certainly wouldn't mind casting Stone on a mob that's weak to earth and having it do a bit more damage than a Thunder bases spell, again, on a mob weak to EARTH!!! When we start to get Thunder V and Blizzard V, and they do a more damage than Burst and Freeze... Then I guess so be it. One of the quirks to getting 75 was to be able to unlock those tier 2 AMs that do massive damage. Well, now a quirk to getting 99 (cuz you know thunder v is 99) is getting an ultra powerful tier V spell that beats out that tier 2 you worked so hard to get 75 and merit for. 99 is a loooong ways away exp wise. And in order to beat mobs of that lvl, were going to need spells that do more damage than a fully merited lvl 75 spell. That's just my take.

I also agree with you too Paul. Perle Hauberk, Aurore Doublet, Teal saio. Although still not as good as bits and pieces of gear you can get endgame or HNM wise. These 3 sets really are fantasic. And with a lot of the new accessories out there, they are even better, combine that with magian trials, which, in hindsite, can beat out relic weapons. Anyone in the game can get Endgame Quality gear for less than 200k. Thats how much a full set of Perle cost me the other day on the AH. All that hard work everyone did, camping HNMz, Hours spent in Limbus/Dynamis/Salvage. Waiting for this High end gear to drop, all rivaled for a mere 200k out of your pocket? SE is getting ready to lose most of it's fan base within the next year. They want are getting ready for it, and making gear easily accessable to do that exp grind in to them is a neccessity, IMO. The bar has risen, and there expecting there to be a lot less ppl to climb that ladder than in the glory days of lagging out cuz of an over populated exit to Aht Urghan WG's mog house.

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View PostLilsoulreaver, on 19 July 2010 - 01:17 PM, said:

Wow, I love how heated some of these battles get in public chat forums cuz everyone wants to prove their right!!! Especially taking to time to cut and paste different sections of different comments. That's hard corp. Even if I wanted to post an arguement to what you just said, I'd be affraid you would take a lot of needless time out of your day to prove me wrong!!! I sorta like your idea Rambus. I think that would solve a lot of issues. BUT, every blm in the world has only unlocked Burst and Freeze 2 for the sake that they are the strongest two, regardless. And most likely went 5/5 on each. Unless you're a "do massive damage on Kirin nut and did 5/5 on Tornado II. So For now, Tier V nukes give you a chance to exploit other weaknesses for once. I certainly wouldn't mind casting Stone on a mob that's weak to earth and having it do a bit more damage than a Thunder bases spell, again, on a mob weak to EARTH!!! When we start to get Thunder V and Blizzard V, and they do a more damage than Burst and Freeze... Then I guess so be it. One of the quirks to getting 75 was to be able to unlock those tier 2 AMs that do massive damage. Well, now a quirk to getting 99 (cuz you know thunder v is 99) is getting an ultra powerful tier V spell that beats out that tier 2 you worked so hard to get 75 and merit for. 99 is a loooong ways away exp wise. And in order to beat mobs of that lvl, were going to need spells that do more damage than a fully merited lvl 75 spell. That's just my take.

I also agree with you too Paul. Perle Hauberk, Aurore Doublet, Teal saio. Although still not as good as bits and pieces of gear you can get endgame or HNM wise. These 3 sets really are fantasic. And with a lot of the new accessories out there, they are even better, combine that with magian trials, which, in hindsite, can beat out relic weapons. Anyone in the game can get Endgame Quality gear for less than 200k. Thats how much a full set of Perle cost me the other day on the AH. All that hard work everyone did, camping HNMz, Hours spent in Limbus/Dynamis/Salvage. Waiting for this High end gear to drop, all rivaled for a mere 200k out of your pocket? SE is getting ready to lose most of it's fan base within the next year. They want are getting ready for it, and making gear easily accessable to do that exp grind in to them is a neccessity, IMO. The bar has risen, and there expecting there to be a lot less ppl to climb that ladder than in the glory days of lagging out cuz of an over populated exit to Aht Urghan WG's mog house.


all AM II are all the same power, the increased merits make them have more MB damage and accurecy.
freeze II does more due to int on staff witch is getting faded out from trials. burst II is the same as the rest, only reason people did that was because of potency merits.

the only thing my idea changes is that you still keep that bonus though all lines of spells of that element ( i do not see how this would be overpowered) while having all the am II.

having all the am II this point is verutally useless just like the merits them selves, they need to be changed.

well maybe not complete atm but as soon you get new level cap increase they will be.

example, flood II is 1 min 30 sec recast with 287 mp w/e you are better off just using water V same with quake and stone V, pretty soon the rest will fall.

the other am II are pretty useless on stuff you can use water and stone V on anyway.

what idiot is doing is called a strawman, i am not dealing with him. i will say this I siad jsut make them NORMAL spells, i/e learned from scrolls, you don't insently get them at 75.

and i am going to say this again I DO NOT CARE THAT YOU ARE BUTTHURT about XXXabj useless now, WHAT I AM CONCERND ABOUT IS that black mage has nothing useful in cat 2 merits. NO JOB suffers from that. Do you know how easy it is for a SCH to outdamage AM II as well? BLM is a pethic job as is. AT lest my idea can allow them to have some extra acc and damage on spells when they mb, the intent of AM II anyway. SCH does get a trait called magic burst bonus, so does blm, the question is does this factor in MB cap if there is one that you see doing a buch of scs after eachother? thats a different topic though.

mobs that i can think off that you cannot use stone or water V:
kirin
bombs
MAYBE oruyu , you need to go play with that one to see if water spell is ok, if ice is ok something earth is neutral too i don't see the problem with water V from a 80 blm.

at this point you might as well call AM II useless

I do not remember oneshoting a pod on BLM with freeze II:
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lolworthy gear btw and no buffs past self sandstorm witch i think triggered, not 100% on that however

as far as new gear, i can understand how perie can be good but for war you have bayakkos pants and such i do not see it as OMG but making a bridge of the have and have nots, the new stuff blm can wair all i see is pants being good when you do not have morr and not maching day with relic pants, the body is like a genie wiskt and head does nothing for me. for sch however it is really nice and if i used that stuff on my sch it would jsut reinforce my point that blm is useless next to it. Having useless cat 2 merits does not help that

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View Postrambus, on 19 July 2010 - 05:05 PM, said:

they are all the same power, the increased merits make them have more MB damage and accurecy.

the only thing my idea changes is that you still keep that bonus though all lines of spells of that element ( i do not see how this would be overpowered) while having all the am II.

having all the am II this point is verutally useless just like the merits them selves, they need to be changed.

well maybe not complete atm but as soon you get new level cap increase they will be.

example, flood II is 1 min 30 sec recast with 287 mp w/e you are better off just using water V same with quake and stone V, pretty soon the rest will fall.

the other am II are pretty useless on stuff you can use water and stone V on anyway.

what idiot is doing is called a strawman, i am not dealing with him. i will say this I siad jsut make them NORMAL spells, i/e learned from scrolls, you don't insently get them at 75.

and i am going to say this again I DO NOT CARE THAT YOU ARE BUTTHURT about XXXabj useless now, WHAT I AM CONCERND ABOUT IS that black mage has nothing useful in cat 2 merits. NO JOB suffers from that. Do you know how easy it is for a SCH to outdamage AM II as well? BLM is a pethic job as is. AT lest my idea can allow them to have some extra acc and damage on spells when they mb, the intent of AM II anyway. SCH does get a trait called magic burst bonus, so does blm, the question is does this factor in MB cap if there is one that you see doing a buch of scs after eachother? thats a different topic though.

mobs that i can think off that you cannot use stone or water V:
kirin
bombs
MAYBE oruyu , you need to go play with that one to see if water spell is ok, if ice is ok something earth is neutral too i don't see the problem with water V from a 80 blm.

at this point you might as well call AM II useless
Reading comprehension, wut?

What retardedRambus is doing is called not reading fucking English any better than he types it.

What retardRambus is doing is not telling me which of the following is useful:

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Sange
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Katon: San
Hyoton: San
Huton: San
Doton: San
Raiton: San
Suiton: San

Better yet, which of these is useful:

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Subtle Blow Effect
Katon Effect
Hyoton Effect
Huton Effect
Doton Effect
Raiton Effect
Suiton Effect

Wow! retardRambus is full of shit, ain't he?

Ninja has zero useful merits.
Ninja has zero useful merits.
Ninja has zero useful merits.
Ninja has zero useful merits.
Ninja has zero useful merits.

Did you grasp this yet, retardRambus?

Q_Q more about BLM's Group 2 merits being crappy with the level cap increase as only crappy ones. Except for jobs with no worthwhile merits Group 2 or otherwise.

Or, "WHAT I AM CONCERND ABOUT IS that black mage has nothing useful in cat 2 merits. NO JOB suffers from that. Do you know how easy it is for a SCH to outdamage AM II as well? BLM is a pethic job as is.", is supposed to mean.

So whine more about BLM Group 2 becoming outmoded and useless. It's completely different than other job's merits and equipment becoming useless, obviously.

God you're fucking retarded, retardRambus.

Retarded.
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so you are butt hurt about NIN being useless altogether? well if your fine with blm being with it be my guest.

what repalcing a san spell? you never tried nuking with /blm with maxing those nukes? there is no "4" nukes that replaces them.

i can say this subtle blow is far from useless depending on what you do.

you sir are the idiot
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I'm "butthurt" about NIN being useless? No, not hardly.

First, if you think NIN is useless your experience is very limited.

Second, I've kind of got all the gear you need to have to use 'ton Ninjutsu from leveling BLM five years ago. It's still pretty fucking useless. What's this endgame application of Hyoton? The resistance down is the same from /NIN and nobody BLM/NINs for that shit.

Third, if you think Subtle Blow+5 from merits is something useful then by all means explain what exactly it is useful for. For my own amusement your example, that you won't provide, would be something that I'm "butthurt about NIN being useless for."

So, yeah.

Keep changing the subject and dodging any questions. Meeeks yuo luuk smertz.
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View Postevilpaul, on 19 July 2010 - 11:34 PM, said:

I'm "butthurt" about NIN being useless? No, not hardly.

First, if you think NIN is useless your experience is very limited.

Second, I've kind of got all the gear you need to have to use 'ton Ninjutsu from leveling BLM five years ago. It's still pretty fucking useless. What's this endgame application of Hyoton? The resistance down is the same from /NIN and nobody BLM/NINs for that shit.

Third, if you think Subtle Blow+5 from merits is something useful then by all means explain what exactly it is useful for. For my own amusement your example, that you won't provide, would be something that I'm "butthurt about NIN being useless for."

So, yeah.

Keep changing the subject and dodging any questions. Meeeks yuo luuk smertz.

you don't solo and stop derailing my topic with retard

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