[Dungorthb]

Which weapons did you guys go for? I am thinking about STR+6 ATK+16 and DEX + 6 ACC +12. Is this wrong? Whats better ~

[Kaparu]

Depending on how realistic the trial is, fully upgraded Empyrean is going to be your best option for a main-hand unless you're reaaally hurting for accuracy(NIN isn't a meat job though, so I don't see that being the case). OA3 is going to be your best bet for offhand in general.

[azagarth1]

wouldn't the super low dmg of the offhand not make it that great? I know for instance mkris was never regard as to good, and kclub was in the same boat as for as dmg went. Did things all of a sudden change?

I would assume that the 2 acc katanas would allow for meat full time (now with really good acc gear elsewhere). Or if your using sushi the attack ones would be nice?

[Kaparu]

Mercurial Kris is a dagger, and Kraken Club is a club.

[pathwriter]

Kaparu, on 12 July 2010 - 11:23 AM, said:

Depending on how realistic the trial is

It isn't. Maybe by the next level cap increase, but I doubt it because difficulty is only half of the equation.

At this point, if you need a quick and easy mainhand katana, work on the Store TP one. That can be done in just a few hours. OA3 is your best bet off-hand, but pretty much anything will work adequately in the off-hand. If you don't feel like suffering the trials for OA3, the DEX katana is probably the one to pursue.

[Banter]

Kaparu, on 12 July 2010 - 12:34 PM, said:

Mercurial Kris is a dagger, and Kraken Club is a club.

Way to state the obvious. Could you post something useful once in a while?

[Kaparu]

I refuse to offer any sort of elaboration. If it isn't blatantly obvious why a club and a dagger don't pan out as well as a fucking katana for ninja, my explanation probably isn't going to matter in the grand scheme of things.

[Banter]

Kaparu, on 12 July 2010 - 11:37 PM, said:

I refuse to offer any sort of elaboration. If it isn't blatantly obvious why a club and a dagger don't pan out as well as a fucking katana for ninja, my explanation probably isn't going to matter in the grand scheme of things.

Terrible poster, terribler troll.

[Kaparu]

You know what, you're right. I should be more helpful. I should take the time to explain why a dagger with lower inherent accuracy than an already laughably inaccurate katana with an ~250% edge in base damage isn't even worth discussing. Hell, I should also take the time to explain why a weapon with somewhere in the neighborhood of -80 accuracy isn't worth the comparison.

Hey, look at me, I'm being helpful.

[Banter]

Kaparu, on 13 July 2010 - 01:27 AM, said:

Hey, look at me, I'm being helpful.

You should try to be helpful once in a while. It would do a lot towards your increasing your likability, which is extremely low. You do post arrogantly everywhere, which is extremely annoying.

[Kaparu]

Not that winning an online popularity contest is on my daily agenda, but my opinion is respected by intelligent players wherever I post. Just as well, you clearly missed the part where I already answered the question that served as the premise for this thread, and my suggestions were amended by Patrick for the more casual audience. Forgive me for my arrogant remarks that followed the asking of an incredibly stupid question.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you been banned from this website multiple times for trolling?

[Banter]

Kaparu, on 13 July 2010 - 01:49 AM, said:

Not that winning an online popularity contest is on my daily agenda, but my opinion is respected by intelligent players wherever I post. Just as well, you clearly missed the part where I already answered the question that served as the premise for this thread, and my suggestions were amended by Patrick for the more casual audience. Forgive me for my arrogant remarks that followed the asking of an incredibly stupid question.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you been banned from this website multiple times for trolling?

My god you're starting to sound more and more like Pathwriter every day. You are both gay however, so this does not surprise me. Regardless, all of this talking about how you should do things, you don't actually break down a real comparison of any weapon. If I wanted to waste my time, I could record my farts and turn them into a trance song, not read KI while some self proclaimed "respected poster" stroke his ego while providing absolutely nothing of value. Seriously, why don't you just go to BG where there are other people like yourself? Those of us that actually enjoy KI will continue to post useful information for each other.

This post has been edited by Banter: 13 July 2010 - 01:56 AM

[Kaparu]

You break down a real comparison when you're trying to figure out if a situation is better suited for an additional 1% haste, or an additional 12 accuracy. You don't break down a real comparison when you're trying to figure out why a D23 OA3 weapon is in a completely different league than a D8 OA3 weapon.

There's irony to be found in you requesting that I explain why the faucet dispenses cold water when you turn the knob labeled with a snowflake, while simultaneously whining about how you shouldn't be subject to my waste-of-time posts.

This post has been edited by Kaparu: 13 July 2010 - 02:04 AM

[Banter]

Kaparu, on 13 July 2010 - 02:03 AM, said:

You break down a real comparison when you're trying to figure out if a situation is better suited for an additional 1% haste, or an additional 12 accuracy. You don't break down a real comparison when you're trying to figure out why a D23 OA3 weapon is in a completely different league than a D8 OA3 weapon.

There's irony to be found in you requesting that I explain why the faucet dispenses cold water when you turn the knob labeled with a snowflake, while simultaneously whining about how you shouldn't be subject to my waste-of-time posts.

Yet you simply ignore the Kraken Club, how convenient is that?

[Kaparu]

Already touched upon that, chief. Something, something, -40% hit-rate, something, something.

[Banter]

Kaparu, on 13 July 2010 - 02:10 AM, said:

Already touched upon that, chief. Something, something, -40% hit-rate, something, something.

Something something adjust gear/food for accuracy something something. I hope you normally don't pick such unstable ground when doing other activities such as dancing in the mirror or pouring hot wax all over yourself, it could prove to be dangerous.

This post has been edited by Banter: 13 July 2010 - 02:15 AM

[Kaparu]

Part of me thinks you're going to pop out with balloons and streamers yelling, "Surprise! I trolled your ass so hard bro!". You simply cannot be this stupid. You cannot be suggesting that ninja, the second most inaccurate class in this game, who's only redeeming factor is their ability to strap mounds of haste and delay reduction on themselves in lieu of virtually any significant amount of accuracy, should replace all of that attack speed with a completely unreasonable amount of accuracy so they can wield a weapon that they have an E skill rating in.

The completely random ad hominem is very entertaining, though.

This post has been edited by Kaparu: 13 July 2010 - 02:25 AM

[pathwriter]

What the hell kind of gear and food are you able to apply that will give make up for 80 lost Accuracy? Ninja are just barely reaching a point at level 80 that, with merits and gear, they can think about comfortably using Marinara Pizza +1 with their primary weapon. Even if you were willing to completely floor your Haste, which might be remotely viable with a Kraken Club, you'd be hard-pressed to get Accuracy anywhere near acceptable with the rotten thing and you could rely on hitting for 0 damage against anything but the weakest of enemies. No part of Kraken Club deserves to be associated with Ninja ever.

And please do not compare me with him. One of us tends to work in the land of fairies and mysticism where perfect buffs can be called out of the ether (except when having those perfect buffs interfere with one's argument and then suddenly it's unpossible) and generally needs to be threatened before offering more than a terse bit of useless snark. The other of us simply answers questions and occasionally manages a cutting remark or witty quip. Then there's you, constantly pushing the limits of the useless, wimpy, whiny moderators and only managing to squeeze in a useful bit of information about 20% of the time while otherwise offering the same terse snark that Kaparu does. Actually, aren't you two idiots in the same shell?

[Kaparu]

Because that was completely necessary, right?

And not that the completely uncalled for pile of douchebaggary you posted really deserves a response, but no, we're no longer in the same linkshell. I don't have the time or money to play right now, and that won't change until FF14 comes out. All of my accounts are up for sale.

This post has been edited by Kaparu: 13 July 2010 - 02:33 AM

[Banter]

Ok, now you're just grasping for straws. Trying to make different points just to distract from the main one. However, I will break it down gently for you.

Kaparu, on 13 July 2010 - 02:24 AM, said:

Part of me thinks you're going to pop out with balloons and streamers yelling, "Surprise! I trolled your ass so hard bro!". You simply cannot be this stupid.

Baseless accusations and insults, the last resort of a man standing on losing ground.

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You cannot be suggesting that ninja, the second most inaccurate class in this game,

PUP, WHM, COR, PLD all have less as far as people who should melee go. Could list more, but they are jobs that really have no place meleeing.

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who's only redeeming factor is their ability to strap mounds of haste and delay reduction on themselves in lieu of virtually any significant amount of accuracy, should replace all of that attack speed with a completely unreasonable amount of accuracy so they can wield a weapon that they have an E skill rating in.

If it was a weapon that didn't have such absurd TP gaining abilities, I would say otherwise. However, you can easily use Sole Sushi and use 5/5 Usukane. You lose a minor amount of haste and gain a ridiculous amount of ACC. It most likely won't give you above 90% on most mobs, but you'll still be swinging quite accurately regardless.

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The completely random ad hominem is very entertaining, though.

Your post hoc, ergo propter hoc is also amusing, but this is a slippery slope you are on my friend.