[Banter]

pathwriter, on 13 July 2010 - 02:26 AM, said:

One of us tends to work in the land of fairies and mysticism where perfect buffs can be called out of the ether (except when having those perfect buffs interfere with one's argument and then suddenly it's unpossible) and generally needs to be threatened before offering more than a terse bit of useless snark. The other of us simply answers questions and occasionally manages a cutting remark or witty quip.

I'm honestly baffled as to which one of you is which, because you both fit the first description so well.















P.S. I'd hope that an English Major would know that unpossible is not a word, but I have been proven wrong about more obvious things before.

[Austar2.0]

Derock posts a lot more useful information than most seem to give him credit for, albeit, it's usually hidden behind a smart ass remark.

[Banter]

Austar2.0, on 13 July 2010 - 02:41 AM, said:

Derock posts a lot more useful information than most seem to give him credit for, albeit, it's usually hidden behind a smart ass remark.

That's just Pathwriter with his supposed "persona" that he uses on KI. Taking him seriously is about as good of an idea as running backwards through a corn field without pants on.

[Kaparu]

Austar2.0, on 13 July 2010 - 02:41 AM, said:

Derock posts a lot more useful information than most seem to give him credit for, albeit, it's usually hidden behind a smart ass remark.

Which doesn't deter from the fact that he's still spent most of his lifespan on this website doing the exact opposite of that, while finding it appropriate to accuse someone, who's already more than answered all relevant questions, of trolling.

Oh, and it doesn't help that he's absolutely wrong for incredibly obvious reasons.

This post has been edited by Kaparu: 13 July 2010 - 02:50 AM

[Austar2.0]

Yeah, but you have to remember who you were replying to: Azagarth. While the ACC issue of NIN is obvious to some, he tends to over think accuracy.

[Kaparu]

Welp, the Care-o-Meter is running on empty. Time for bed.

You all have fun with this disaster of a thread.

[Dungorthb]

Thanks for the replies =D I think lol? I will def try to get the OA3 OH and the higher dmg MH

[azagarth1]

Can someone explain to me why the OAT3 katana is so good? I mean It does have 23 dmg on it compared to the 40+ dmg ones we have out now. I could see if the delay was lower but with 243 delay it doesnt seem like it will be that great. I can't see it upping your melee dmg much over a 40/201 katana with 6 str/dex and 16/acc attack lol added. Add that to the fact jin dmg will suffer with such a low dmg weapon on the off hand, does not seem really practical to me to use it.

What am I missing?

This post has been edited by azagarth1: 13 July 2010 - 01:04 PM

[Banter]

azagarth1, on 13 July 2010 - 01:02 PM, said:

What am I missing?

[Kaparu]

A 100% accurate analysis of the katana's relevant base damage would depend entirely on its proc distribution, which I'm not versed in. I cannot fathom that the rate of single hits is any higher than 50% at the absolute worst, meaning that, worst case scenario, it can be treated as D34 katana. This is also before fSTR and the rate of triple hits are taken into account, which will provide a significant boost in that damage rating figure. So what you end up with is a katana that provides anywhere from slightly less to slightly more DPS than other options, that will also offer a minimum 15% increase in TP gain.

Again, I can't imagine that the proc rate could be any worse than that, but if it happens to be, OAT could possibly be a better option for offhand. Either way, WS damage won't be impacted in any significant way. Offhand hits are mostly garbage.

[pathwriter]

Distribution is 50:30:20, meaning that it produces fewer attacks per round than Mercurial Kris, but as a katana will connect more reliably.

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pathwriter, on 13 July 2010 - 01:56 PM, said:

Distribution is 50:30:20, meaning that it produces fewer attacks per round than Mercurial Kris, but as a katana will connect more reliably.

Source on this? I've seen some people say distribution is a little different, so it'd be nice to know where these numbers come from.

[pathwriter]

I'm feeling entirely too lazy to dig up the links, but I've read analysis of several different data sets that point to this distribution. One was regarding Ursine Claws and the other was regarding the katana (seriously too many names to remember these days). It's over on BG somewhere and Motenten (Kinematics) did the analysis, so I'm willing to trust it.

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pathwriter, on 13 July 2010 - 02:16 PM, said:

I'm feeling entirely too lazy to dig up the links, but I've read analysis of several different data sets that point to this distribution. One was regarding Ursine Claws and the other was regarding the katana (seriously too many names to remember these days). It's over on BG somewhere and Motenten (Kinematics) did the analysis, so I'm willing to trust it.

Fair enough

[Kaparu]

pathwriter, on 13 July 2010 - 01:56 PM, said:

Distribution is 50:30:20, meaning that it produces fewer attacks per round than Mercurial Kris, but as a katana will connect more reliably.

The very minor edge in number of attacks per round is completely demolished by the lack of base damage, not just the accuracy deficiency.

[pathwriter]

Also true.

[draugo]

I want my senji to have 7% double attack >.> and higher bas damage while we are at it. WTF at having to build even more gear to keep up with the new cap, I thought the whole premise behind magian weapons was to be able to upgrade existing gear we have already worked our ass off to aquire.

ps: you can now get -8% damage reduction in one katana, /em readies flame retardent suit.

This post has been edited by draugo: 17 July 2010 - 04:47 PM