[Austar2.0]

God I wish I had 18 of myself to do shit with.

In a non-gay way.

This post has been edited by Austar2.0: 15 July 2010 - 09:53 PM

[ironwall]

To sum it up: Stop worrying, players are still going to suck despite this gear just like players manage to suck with the current gear they have. They'll just look worse in the process.

[Chriscoffey]

I kind of wonder if this was added so if you were just le suck you could drink it and rape stuff in alliance with no skill involved? This adds 999 to everything. I was reading and thought to myself WTF..

999 Stat increase

This post has been edited by Chriscoffey: 16 July 2010 - 07:53 AM

[Logan Draconia]

Seeing as it's a wiki, that could be a joke. I'd rather see some proof first.

Then again, I could be wrong:

http://wiki.ffxiclop..._Q%26A:_Abyssea

This post has been edited by Logan Draconia: 16 July 2010 - 05:11 PM

[Pobyedobyedo]

As someone who spent 1-2years in my quest for homam and never getting it due to drop rate/ being cheated I'm all for this update. Some players like myself tried and put forth a massive effort to better ourselves but were unable to do so due to things we cannot control (drop rate, LS breaking apart before everyone gets there stuff). I dare say some put forward more effort while others walk in and get pieces after a week due to a small line.

I can understand why someone who DID work hard and just got there work shitted all over would be mad, I don't agree at all though that those who didn't have homam before now yet still tried for YEARS to get it are "unskilled/unworthy/whatever". The worst streak I ever had in a limbus LS was no homam legs from December through April.

[Logan Draconia]

Pobyedobyedo, on 18 July 2010 - 01:24 PM, said:

As someone who spent 1-2years in my quest for homam and never getting it due to drop rate/ being cheated I'm all for this update. Some players like myself tried and put forth a massive effort to better ourselves but were unable to do so due to things we cannot control (drop rate, LS breaking apart before everyone gets there stuff). I dare say some put forward more effort while others walk in and get pieces after a week due to a small line.

I can understand why someone who DID work hard and just got there work shitted all over would be mad, I don't agree at all though that those who didn't have homam before now yet still tried for YEARS to get it are "unskilled/unworthy/whatever". The worst streak I ever had in a limbus LS was no homam legs from December through April.

Oh but that cant possibly be true. You must just suck at the game! There's no such thing as a Linkshell that can fail or screw over Dark Knights in favor of other jobs!

Imitating idiot people aside, I think with Homam/Turban/Ebody being around for years and years, it WAS the best for the longest time. However, with the lvl cap increasing, it was inevitable that better gear would be coming and would be easier to obtain. Hell, next update, I wont be surprised if Perle set becomes obsolete, so I'm preparing for it now.

[DiSifer]

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Hell, next update, I wont be surprised if Perle set becomes obsolete, so I'm preparing for it now.

Basically.

[Banter]

Logan Draconia, on 18 July 2010 - 02:57 PM, said:

Oh but that cant possibly be true. You must just suck at the game!

It's more like suck at prioritizing.

[rambus]

Gredival, on 15 July 2010 - 09:26 PM, said:

I actually fundamentally disagree.

There are many many many players for whom gear was, or should have been hard, to get. What I mean by that is that there are many people for whom if they were to do an encounter with a group comprised of 18 of them (in an ideal alliance setup) their level of skill or organization would have been insufficient to succeed. Due to ineptitude or incompetence or what not they would wipe and thus never get the gear.

Or to put it simply, there are many people such that if they were the nucleus of any raiding group, the group would be largely unsuccessful in various end game events. It is in fact the proportion of such suck to skill is what determines the level of success an HNMLS tends to have.

Many of these people slip through the cracks and are "carried" by the superior skills of other people in their groups, etc. and attain gear that would otherwise be out of their reach by simply waiting in line. But that is not to say everyone can do that. At some critical point of suck a group would kick the person, or any groups that tolerated that level of incompetence would probably be outright unable to complete encounters.

If you really think that anyone can get any gear as long as they "wait in line" I offer two arguments.

1) I still see people wiping at Kirin and Nidhogg
2) SE has constantly had to make gear more accessible by nerfing the difficulty of the encounters

There are unskilled people, and I don't think it strange to think that they should not be entitled to the same quality of rewards as others due to their incompetence. There was a time when SE was pretty strict about that, but it was bad for business to have the game constantly shove people's mediocrity in their faces, so SE has been following the Blizzard model more recently catering to the majority.

the only reason a lesser ls would wipe to kirin would be due to the ability to kill off the "mini god" pops before a next one can. you can kite say like genbu but when it comes to the others like the fire bird or tiger stuff can go wrong fast in a kite stat with low numbers. I can not picture it happening with 80s in the group.

I do not know why you wipe to timat, does it rage? i do not remember. that would be the only reason i can see a ls wiping to that.

the only thing even before the level lift that I would consider hard is PW. that is the only fight i seen with excessive communication and what to do and when that i would consider as "skill".

how is wiping or not wiping to kirin or nid or w/e is considered being skilled or unskilled? I offer this, those fights are easy . learning how this abbisa crap works with all these lights and w/e is a bit harder to me then knowing how to fight something like nidhog.

i got the sc chart in the back of my head, i know what elements not use on x mob, and i still don't know what im doing when i amd clicking this chest and i have to trun these dials to open it because of being time pressed and unable to experiment well.

the only thing i can say to fight stuff like nidhod or kirin would be a not being a retard, or b being unlucky to the point something happens that cause you to whipe. jackhole trying to mpk people, some im gonna fuck you up aoe kills key people or what not. some part of end game is luck like the drops that come from them.

I can offer this as well, people that know what they are doing can compete with better vs lucky leechers in better gear and e peen damage and what not.

somewhere along the line i think those " leechers" try win some I know what i am doing with some e peen numbers and what not that can only be achieved by the gear they have vs the people that know what they are doing that simply have a better DoT. DoT does not show in a pretty e- peen number.

This post has been edited by rambus: 19 July 2010 - 03:02 AM