[Cythriell]

TP: http://www.ffxiah.co...-sets?id=169112

WS: http://www.ffxiah.co...-sets?id=169113

I'm looking for a good/fun build to use on SAM on my new character. I'm not looking for something that's gunna be hard as hell to get, I want something I can get without (what I consider) much effort.

The TP set gives you a 5 hit, with 21% Haste and 420 Acc. So WS frequency would be about 20% higher than a 6 hit build if 420 acc is enough to cap you. That's about 45 Acc over the acc cap for Greater Colibri if you're lvl 80, I know it's not a perfect example but I don't know the stats of many mobs.

The WS build as suffered very little from going to a 5 hit build, the only things holding it back are a Rose Strap and Enkidu's Subligar. So really all that's doing is holding me back 2% DA and 1 STR (remember I'm not aiming for anything really hard to get, so compare the subligar to Shura Haidate or AF+1 pants)

According to FFXI Calc, with Haste/Hasso/Samba/Marchx2, this build would result in a WS every 10 seconds (1.8x5), excusing Meditate, 2hour, misses, double attacks.

Every 30 seconds without Haste/Hasso/Samba/Marchx2

Opinions/Advice/Criticism?


PS. This build doesn't require Carbonara, so you can heat Marbeled Steak/Marinara Pizza +1 etc.

Thanks

[pathwriter]

Correction to your links:

TP - http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/169112

WS - http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/169113

In an ideal world, I would rather have Usukane Haramaki and Unkai Nodowa (STR +5 Accuracy +5 Store TP +3 -- I've heard that it is actually STR +3, however). I don't feel like juggling the numbers, but that may allow you to use a far better ring than Adler and possibly swap back to Forager's Mantle. Actually, drop the Adler Ring altogether. 1 Accuracy is nowhere remotely worth that loss of Attack. Samurai may be heavily balanced in favor of weaponskills, especially in a 5-hit build, but that's no reason to make your normal hits needlessly weaker.

Alternatively, Goading Belt has been found, although it's a beast to acquire as memory serves. Using that with Usukane Haramaki would let you equip Thew Bomblet or Black Tathlum while retaining Peacock Charm. Or you could use Unkai Nodowa and White Tathlum with Goading Belt but put on Nocturnus Mail.

Oh, and lest you complain that Usukane Haramaki isn't "easy to get," I'd hardly consider Usukane Sune-Ate a walk in the park, nor Nocturnus Mail or Velocious Belt.

[Cythriell]

Thanks for the reply, I'll consider what you said.

I already have a V belt and Usu 35 feet.

[Vax]

Practical 5 hit builds... o_o

This post has been edited by Vax: 23 July 2010 - 12:20 PM

[Banter]

Vax, on 23 July 2010 - 12:17 PM, said:

Practical 5 hit builds... o_o

I know right, lol.

[Oblit]

Maybe not easy to get, but this is my 5hit build with out using Carbonara.

TP: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/165286

WS:(White tathlum/Usukane body/Warwolf belt) http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/165287 Sorry, too lazy to make a new set for those 3 different peices lol.

This post has been edited by Oblit: 27 July 2010 - 04:24 PM

[Cyprias]

Oblit, on 27 July 2010 - 04:23 PM, said:

Maybe not easy to get, but this is my 5hit build with out using Carbonara.

TP: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/165286

WS:(White tathlum/Usukane body/Warwolf belt) http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/165287 Sorry, too lazy to make a new set for those 3 different peices lol.

Never suggest Askar zuchetto. Ace's helm is better. Can't say it's "difficult" to get when you got a Zilant ring and usukane haramaki thrown in there.

[Oblit]

Cyprias, on 27 July 2010 - 06:02 PM, said:

Never suggest Askar zuchetto. Ace's helm is better. Can't say it's "difficult" to get when you got a Zilant ring and usukane haramaki thrown in there.

I'm not suggesting anything, I was showing off my 5hit build.
You are right, Ace's is not difficult to get. But I also never thought I'd cap haste w/o wearing turban until a few months ago.

And now Goading belt is available, I'd rather not waste my time getting +3-4 accuracy(ace's) to just put it away after I get Goading belt.
Goading belt+Turban will still put me to capped haste.

If I ever get my hands on Bullwhip belt, then I will forget about having a /DRG sub, I will just rock a 24% /WAR

Not sure why are you using Ace's helm when you are not capping haste. Ace's is gimp, just because its "harder" to obtain, doesn't mean its better.
Even your "dream" gear has Ace's on it. Having an ACC build is another thing.

[Cyprias]

Oblit, on 27 July 2010 - 06:24 PM, said:

I'm not suggesting anything, I was showing off my 5hit build.
You are right, Ace's is not difficult to get. But I also never thought I'd cap haste w/o wearing turban until a few months ago.

And now Goading belt is available, I'd rather not waste my time getting +3-4 accuracy(ace's) to just put it away after I get Goading belt.
Goading belt+Turban will still put me to capped haste.

If I ever get my hands on Bullwhip belt, then I will forget about having a /DRG sub, I will just rock a 24% /WAR

Not sure why are you using Ace's helm when you are not capping haste. Ace's is gimp, just because its "harder" to obtain, doesn't mean its better.
Even your "dream" gear has Ace's on it. Having an ACC build is another thing.

This setup was made over a year ago. Who cares about FFXIAH Item sets nowadays? My current builds are completely different and for you to assume you know what I'm doing in-game is ignorant.

[pathwriter]

Defensive much, Cyprias?

[Oblit]

Cyprias, on 27 July 2010 - 06:55 PM, said:

This setup was made over a year ago. Who cares about FFXIAH Item sets nowadays? My current builds are completely different and for you to assume you know what I'm doing in-game is ignorant.

Sure if you say so.

Turban was already better than Ace's longer than over a year ago.

[Cyprias]

pathwriter, on 27 July 2010 - 07:03 PM, said:

Defensive much, Cyprias?

Let's just say it's been a long day.

[Cyprias]

Oblit, on 27 July 2010 - 07:05 PM, said:

Sure if you say so.

Turban was already better than Ace's longer than over a year ago.

Yes I know that, when I leveled SAM I just barely got it to 75 with that setup and used it with little understanding; barely understanding Store TP. Might have actually been two years, now that I think about it. At the time when I asked for advice on this board it was considered decent. The phenomena of using Turban to keep a high haste value was really emerging when Pizza came about, and because of that I've switched accordingly a very long time ago.

Why is this even being discussed? The only reason I pointed it out is because Askar zuchetto has been known to suck, with it's only exception being a considering DEX Build for WAR's or something of that sort. I don't recall but I believe even that setup was considered junk.

What I'm saying is you can't rely on FFXIAH Item sets to determine that's what a person really uses in-game. Especially when my current gear layout has Usukane Haramaki equipped, yet in my "Current SAM TP" I have Haubergeon+1 on it.

[Oblit]

Cyprias, on 27 July 2010 - 07:16 PM, said:

Why is this even being discussed? The only reason I pointed it out is because Askar zuchetto has been known to suck, with it's only exception being a considering DEX Build for WAR's or something of that sort. I don't recall but I believe even that setup was considered junk.

I know it sucks, but what else am I gonna wear? STR+4 DEX+4 is better than nothing(Turban will put me to 27% haste), DEX+4 better than ACC from Ace's in most situation. I have around DEX+43-45 in tp build.

Though dex/crit rate on SAM is Lol. More crits still means more damage, while Ace's ACC does nothing. To me at least.

[pathwriter]

4 STR should also boost fSTR by a point, if I'm remembering correctly (I'm no mathologist, etc. etc.). If there's no other way to shift Haste around, Askar Zucchetto may be the best option, especially as Accuracy should rarely be an issue at this point. Then again, I'd want to move as close as possible to a coherent /Warrior build so as not to be reliant upon /Dragoon for Haste.

Remember, too, that you're only gaining something like .3% Haste from that point going from 25% to 26%. Even at the extreme limits of Haste, that's not really going to break you.

[Oblit]

pathwriter, on 27 July 2010 - 08:32 PM, said:

4 STR should also boost fSTR by a point, if I'm remembering correctly (I'm no mathologist, etc. etc.). If there's no other way to shift Haste around, Askar Zucchetto may be the best option, especially as Accuracy should rarely be an issue at this point. Then again, I'd want to move as close as possible to a coherent /Warrior build so as not to be reliant upon /Dragoon for Haste.

Remember, too, that you're only gaining something like .3% Haste from that point going from 25% to 26%. Even at the extreme limits of Haste, that's not really going to break you.

Its only .3% haste? I thought It was .6% but not sure. If that's the case I'd wear Usukane head for now on /DRG until Goading belt. I don't like how Askar head looks.

[pathwriter]

I think it depends on what items you're using to hit the cap. I'd have to double-check, I guess.

[Cyprias]

Yeah it'll depend. For example I think Speed/Vbelt is 6.1% instead of just 6%, just like Black belt is 12.2% instead of just 12%. One thing I noticed about the STR discussion between Ace's and Askar is it doesn't matter, they are both STR+4. However, I do think I'd still use Ace's/Askar over Usukane Somen in that situation because although it is .3~.5% increase (.1 from Speed/V at least), there is still +1 STR over Somen. If there's a situation where Accuracy is 95% I'd use Askar, however in most cases in fighting stuff that matters it isn't, thus I'd lean towards Ace's.

In the end shit's situational. :/

[Taint]

Its .6 haste from 25 to 26. MNKs it .4 because of BB. Oblit's SAM is pimp.