[artaxerxes]

With all the new bells and whistles that have been added(been gone since dec) is there a reason(new or otherwise) to do Ragnarok these days?

[Taint]

2000 WS killshots vs undead
/endthread

[Banter]

Was there ever a good reason to do Ragnarok?

[Kaparu]

Back when people thought it was alright to be on a melee job without a single bard? Iono

[Banter]

Kaparu, on 24 July 2010 - 06:06 PM, said:

Back when people thought it was alright to be on a melee job without a single bard? Iono

Idk, apoc was probably better then too.

[Sakka_Valefor]

it looks good on a mannequin.

[firefeng]

Sakka_Valefor, on 25 July 2010 - 12:17 PM, said:

it looks good on a mannequin.

You know what else looks good on a mannequin?

Me. Assuming the mannequin is inflatable, anyway.

This post has been edited by firefeng: 25 July 2010 - 12:19 PM

[Angrist]

Dont listen to these guys Arta the weapon is absolutely awesome. Just got overshadowed by Apoc, people saw the base dmg and decided it was the best for everything. Nobody takes into account the insane crit rate (esp the lvl 80 version), the dps (which is higher than Apoc lol) the delay which with the right amount of haste is faster than Apoc. Also 3 jobs can use it and use it very well. Not saying Ragnarok is any more or less better than Apoc b/c lets face it, Apoc is an amazing weapon hands down. Just saying its unfair to assume Ragnarok is a bad choice b/c its not at all. Oh and the 2000 undead killshots was actually made really easy being able to do it as pld.

[Hercule]

Angrist, on 28 July 2010 - 10:07 AM, said:

Dont listen to these guys Arta the weapon is absolutely awesome. Just got overshadowed by Apoc, people saw the base dmg and decided it was the best for everything. Nobody takes into account the insane crit rate (esp the lvl 80 version), the dps (which is higher than Apoc lol) the delay which with the right amount of haste is faster than Apoc. Also 3 jobs can use it and use it very well. Not saying Ragnarok is any more or less better than Apoc b/c lets face it, Apoc is an amazing weapon hands down. Just saying its unfair to assume Ragnarok is a bad choice b/c its not at all. Oh and the 2000 undead killshots was actually made really easy being able to do it as pld.

+1
The only problem now if where to found the gils

[Banter]

Angrist, on 28 July 2010 - 10:07 AM, said:

Dont listen to these guys Arta the weapon is absolutely awesome. Just got overshadowed by Apoc, people saw the base dmg and decided it was the best for everything. Nobody takes into account the insane crit rate (esp the lvl 80 version), the dps (which is higher than Apoc lol) the delay which with the right amount of haste is faster than Apoc. Also 3 jobs can use it and use it very well. Not saying Ragnarok is any more or less better than Apoc b/c lets face it, Apoc is an amazing weapon hands down. Just saying its unfair to assume Ragnarok is a bad choice b/c its not at all. Oh and the 2000 undead killshots was actually made really easy being able to do it as pld.

Because Catastrophe only does shit damage and it's aftermath is worthless, right?

[Dartalion]

actually catastrophe really does shit damage lmao

sidenote:

honestly the only thing that ever held rag back was its incredibly low base dmg. Thats fixed now so its a solid relic. Some people are just greatsword enthusiasts. If we really cared about whats best we'd be on sam with yoichi etc, not drk.. :-p

play right, but play whatever job and whatever relic you want, and fuck the elitists

This post has been edited by Dartalion: 28 July 2010 - 08:24 PM

[Kaparu]

Angrist, on 28 July 2010 - 10:07 AM, said:

Dont listen to these guys Arta the weapon is absolutely awesome. Just got overshadowed by Apoc, people saw the base dmg and decided it was the best for everything. Nobody takes into account the insane crit rate (esp the lvl 80 version), the dps (which is higher than Apoc lol) the delay which with the right amount of haste is faster than Apoc. Also 3 jobs can use it and use it very well. Not saying Ragnarok is any more or less better than Apoc b/c lets face it, Apoc is an amazing weapon hands down. Just saying its unfair to assume Ragnarok is a bad choice b/c its not at all. Oh and the 2000 undead killshots was actually made really easy being able to do it as pld.

ITT: People attempting to ignorantly defend their stupid choices

Ragnarok is shit, and Apocalypse wouldn't be anything special either if it weren't for its aftermath. Get over it.

This post has been edited by Kaparu: 29 July 2010 - 12:01 AM

[Dartalion]

case in point, one of the elitists

[Banter]

Dartalion, on 28 July 2010 - 08:20 PM, said:

actually catastrophe really does shit damage lmao

It also drains HP.

[Kaparu]

Dartalion, on 28 July 2010 - 08:41 PM, said:

case in point, one of the elitists

Wasting hundreds of millions in ancient currency for a weapon that's inferior to something that costs nothing but time is stupid. Disagree? Cool. That makes you an idiot, it doesn't make me an elitist.

[Banter]

Kaparu, on 29 July 2010 - 12:03 AM, said:

Wasting hundreds of millions in ancient currency for a weapon that's inferior to something that costs nothing but time is stupid. Disagree? Cool. That makes you an idiot, it doesn't make me an elitist.

Bro you can use it on PLD.

[ironwall]

I find my way the easiest and least time consuming, it's pretty simple.

Basically I just... avoid doing a relic.

This post has been edited by ironwall: 29 July 2010 - 02:29 AM

[Logan Draconia]

ironwall, on 29 July 2010 - 02:29 AM, said:

I find my way the easiest and least time consuming, it's pretty simple.

Basically I just... avoid doing a relic.

You shouldn't "avoid" doing it. I know it's not for everyone given the time and money it takes, but if you seriously have the opportunity to aim for one, then what's the harm?

[Dartalion]

still its his time to waste (in your view i doubt he thinks the same thing) seriously take the one liners back to bg where people actually care about such things.

[Dartalion]

Logan Draconia, on 29 July 2010 - 03:29 AM, said:

You shouldn't "avoid" doing it. I know it's not for everyone given the time and money it takes, but if you seriously have the opportunity to aim for one, then what's the harm?

exactly, i know its hard to comprehend, this "game i play for fun" concept and all.

As I said, do w/e relic you want, but also do the research behind it and use it properly is all I really care about. Your time you can do w/e you want with it in game.