[Zmega]

with the advent of reckoning and the 105dmg 528 delay 7stp path there are 2 beautiful new 5 hit builds possible, ill explain both

both cases main weapon reckoning 105dmg 528 delay 7stp and sub is rose strap (4stp)

Set 1:
neck "peacock charm"
feet "perle solerets"
body "perle hauberk"
ring1 "Rajas Ring"
ring2 "ecphoria ring"
back "Forager's Mantle"
ear1 "Brutal Earring"
ear2 "Abyssal earring"
legs "Perle Brayettes"
ammo "Fire Bomblet"
hands "perle moufles"
waist "swift belt"
head "Perle salade"
Food: Carbonara (for the hp boost atk boost and 5stp)

Set 2:
neck "chivalrous chain"
feet "homam gambieras"
body "nuevo coselete" (4stp 10acc)
ring1 "Rajas Ring"
ring2 "ecphoria ring"
back "Forager's Mantle"
ear1 "Brutal Earring"
ear2 "Abyssal earring"
legs "blitzer poleyn" (7acc 3haste)
ammo "Fire Bomblet"
hands "homam manopolas"
waist "swift belt"
head "walahra turban"
Food: Sole sushi (all about the acc)


in both cases if you dont ws you actually end up with 99% tp in 5 hits but thats the same concept of the old perdu/moli 6 hits, you ws or meditate anyway to produce that extra 1%

set 1 is more for if you have capped or damn near capped acc and you want 5 hit with the extra atk (the diff in atk of the 2 sets is about 33atk give or take) but its really all about the food, set 1 is a great survivability 5 hit build with the high def and added hp of carbonara while holding onto the 5 hit build, even making it sliiiiiiiiiightly easyer to get becaue the 5stp from cabonara is active 100% of the time adding it to your ws aswell. (technically you could replace perle with any set but unless your using ebody and dusk+1 hands....)

set 2 is for those that either A: dont wanna use food to get a 5 hit, B: with food can have a 5 hit and extremely high acc or C: want a nice build that doesnt look like a pld with a scythe lol. i use set 2 more for the 5 hit without the food needed and actually only has slightly less acc than the perle way but with the ability to use acc food and keep that 5 hit you have nothing to worry about.

im kind of just putting this up to see what people think, update soon so maybe itll be easyer but i have to say its pretty fun to see 20% tp jumps each hit, and as long as you have reckoning rose and rajas in ws (brutal too i guess common who wouldnt lol) then your ws build can be w/e you want it to be without limit.

note: both builds have 18% haste, full perle has 14% haste + swift for 18% but the english client has a mistype saying the helm is 2% haste when its actually 3%.

another side note, by far id say the best build would be set 1 using goading belt instead of swift then you can pick and choose any food you want, but for now this is what ive got lol

[Rhayve]

Zmega, on 15 August 2010 - 02:36 PM, said:

with the advent of reckoning and the 105dmg 528 delay 7stp path there are 2 beautiful new 5 hit builds possible, ill explain both

both cases main weapon reckoning 105dmg 528 delay 7stp and sub is rose strap (4stp)

Set 1:
neck "peacock charm"
feet "perle solerets"
body "perle hauberk"
ring1 "Rajas Ring"
ring2 "ecphoria ring"
back "Forager's Mantle"
ear1 "Brutal Earring"
ear2 "Abyssal earring"
legs "Perle Brayettes"
ammo "Fire Bomblet"
hands "perle moufles"
waist "swift belt"
head "Perle salade"
Food: Carbonara (for the hp boost atk boost and 5stp)

Set 2:
neck "chivalrous chain"
feet "homam gambieras"
body "nuevo coselete" (4stp 10acc)
ring1 "Rajas Ring"
ring2 "ecphoria ring"
back "Forager's Mantle"
ear1 "Brutal Earring"
ear2 "Abyssal earring"
legs "blitzer poleyn" (7acc 3haste)
ammo "Fire Bomblet"
hands "homam manopolas"
waist "swift belt"
head "walahra turban"
Food: Sole sushi (all about the acc)


in both cases if you dont ws you actually end up with 99% tp in 5 hits but thats the same concept of the old perdu/moli 6 hits, you ws or meditate anyway to produce that extra 1%

set 1 is more for if you have capped or damn near capped acc and you want 5 hit with the extra atk (the diff in atk of the 2 sets is about 33atk give or take) but its really all about the food, set 1 is a great survivability 5 hit build with the high def and added hp of carbonara while holding onto the 5 hit build, even making it sliiiiiiiiiightly easyer to get becaue the 5stp from cabonara is active 100% of the time adding it to your ws aswell. (technically you could replace perle with any set but unless your using ebody and dusk+1 hands....)

set 2 is for those that either A: dont wanna use food to get a 5 hit, B: with food can have a 5 hit and extremely high acc or C: want a nice build that doesnt look like a pld with a scythe lol. i use set 2 more for the 5 hit without the food needed and actually only has slightly less acc than the perle way but with the ability to use acc food and keep that 5 hit you have nothing to worry about.

im kind of just putting this up to see what people think, update soon so maybe itll be easyer but i have to say its pretty fun to see 20% tp jumps each hit, and as long as you have reckoning rose and rajas in ws (brutal too i guess common who wouldnt lol) then your ws build can be w/e you want it to be without limit.

note: both builds have 18% haste, full perle has 14% haste + swift for 18% but the english client has a mistype saying the helm is 2% haste when its actually 3%.

another side note, by far id say the best build would be set 1 using goading belt instead of swift then you can pick and choose any food you want, but for now this is what ive got lol

For the second build, I'd use Aurum cuirass and consequently drop Ecphoria, Chivalrous chain for higher Accuracy items. And of course Vbelt for both sets, if you have it. DRK should usually always have enough Accuracy to be able to land hits with just Pizza, in my opinion, especially if you have fully merited Diabolic Eye.

[wigglestyx]

Some other things you could use that arnt really retarded (Hoard Ring) are:
* Fourth Division Mantle - stp +2: TP in this switch to w/e for weapon skill.
* White Tathlum - stp +2: TP in swith to Bomblet for weapon skill.
(could use both if you don't have nuevo w/ stp or aurum.)
* Goading Belt - stp +5: why wouldn't you want it.

[Zmega]

white tathlum has a much bigger loss than just say chiv ephor not to mention the price difference between the 2 is huge and feels a bit more like a show piece, granted if you have something better than pcc or 5acc ring then white tathlum is a bit more viable, id lose an extra 1-2 acc tho for the extra 6 atk on fb

aurum = best body option but acp body is much easyer to obtain for most people

2stp back? hell no you lose way too much in that slot, cuchu or foragers are both big deal pieces that youd have to sacrifice for something better put in another slot, also fully merited diabolic eye is slowly becoming more and more of a waste with these updates, 22ish acc from the skill from 75 to 80, 50 acc from 81 to 90 (potentially)

[Banter]

So basically, you're posting 5 hit builds for gimp/lazy people who have no place using them in the first place? Gotcha.

[Taint]

Banter, on 15 August 2010 - 09:04 PM, said:

So basically, you're posting 5 hit builds for gimp/lazy people who have no place using them in the first place? Gotcha.

I agree with a lot of your post but that was pretty gay response.

Taking players that don't have top tier gear and putting together a solid 5hit will do a ton for their overall performance. I really liked the OP and thought its usefulness will extend to 90% of the player base.

[Banter]

Taint, on 16 August 2010 - 10:12 AM, said:

I agree with a lot of your post but that was pretty gay response.

Taking players that don't have top tier gear and putting together a solid 5hit will do a ton for their overall performance. I really liked the OP and thought its usefulness will extend to 90% of the player base.

These are not solid 5 hit builds. Players that have to use some of this stuff would do just as well to build a solid 6 hit with a lower delay scythe or some other option.

[Taint]

The reason I liked the builds is because it incorporates a lot of highly used items and a 105scythe. The 16% increase in WSs goes a long way. With the 2nd build a DRK wouldn't even need sushi. In a high haste situation the difference between 528 and 501 delay is very slight (5%) but the difference in a 6hit vs a 5hit is still 16%.

[Banter]

You're forgetting to account for other things, like being able to use real gear for TP and WS and not waste your ACP body on that piece of junk. It really isn't that hard to get an Askar korazin these days either if you're dead set on a 5 hit.

[Taint]

Banter, on 16 August 2010 - 03:58 PM, said:

You're forgetting to account for other things, like being able to use real gear for TP and WS and not waste your ACP body on that piece of junk. It really isn't that hard to get an Askar korazin these days either if you're dead set on a 5 hit.

Sure but like any job you gear up and then upgrade. Acc and att aren't nearly as important as xhit and haste.

[Banter]

Yea but there's also a point where using a gimp X-hit just isn't worth it.

[Nameless]

In high haste situation you are more likely to suffer from over WSing. Each WS gives a 2 sec delay before your next regular hit starts to tic in, similar to how there is a 1 sec delay when you use JA. The higher the haste, the shorter the time in between WSs, and those those 2 secs become bigger and bigger in relation. Obviously if it is the same weapon the same equips the same food, the lower hit build will still win out, but if you are sacrificing acc and att and food, then it wouldn't necessarily be worth it to tie yourself too much to those delay. Granted that now a day acc and att aren't as important, the higher hit build can always adjust the setup so there aren't any excess acc and att.

For the same reason, I have two builds for my OAT scythe. One is 6 hit with sword strap, one is 5 hit with rose strap, aurum body, and carbonara. I use them depending on situation, but the 5 hit is usually for low buff low difficulty situation where my attack with carbonara is high enough and accuracy isn't an issue. I experienced with both alot and can honestly tell you the difference between the two is close to none. It is really pretty situational, and 5 hit really isn't as impressive as ppl made it out to be. Plus, you are using a 105 dmg scythe in this case, which itself is already a sacrifice.

[Taint]

Stop swapping in Heca gear for your WSs.

The rules have changed for acc and att at 80 and will be worse in a couple weeks.

Edit: still nothing gimp about the 2nd build. Swap askar body in when you get it, get a 6% belt and a blitz ring and you have a winner.

This post has been edited by Taint: 17 August 2010 - 03:28 PM

[Nameless]

I have 0 heca piece in my guillotine macro (mostly onyx stuff that replace them). The 2 sec goes to everyone, I believe ppl have tested it somewhere. And it is really pretty easy to test under high haste situation and ws without gear swap to see for yourself.

I believe Kirschy is going to test it officially once she has time. Not saying the ppl who did the original test isn't any less official, but like most, I trust Kirschy's test more.

This post has been edited by Nameless: 18 August 2010 - 07:47 AM

[Zmega]

for the record the idea isnt "this is the best bunch of sets ever!" its these are good sets that pull away from the current cookie cut were going into of perle and straight dmg+, no build can be the best build till 99 but im strong in the belief that a 5 hit that keeps over atleast 90% acc is a good build regardless, an ebody 20% haste build that can 5 hit using food and crazy gear that will only fall in the hands of the lucky or the really rich (top being ebody dusk+1 speed belt maleficent/oat) will obviously blow it away, but at the same time im pretty sure this setup would blow away the common 6 hit full perle that im seeing, be it 107dmg + add eff, 109dmg ws path or some of the high acc/atk+ paths. alot of it is in skill, you wouldnt use a 5 hit in an abyssea party mainly because ws spam will mess up nuke kills and such, but id go 5 hit in einherjar or dynamis where .3 seconds less of a swing with sword strap will make way less of a diff in the melee spam (no exageration) than it only taking 5 hits to pull off ws to clear faster.

situational? yes, but mainly in the places where a parse may actually matter (as oxymoron as that is lol)

[Banter]

Zmega, on 18 August 2010 - 06:37 PM, said:

no build can be the best build till 99

Why not?

[Zmega]

se is changing the rules too much, and unless you have apoc and lead a linkshell that allows you to have pretty much any player's wet dream in gear, its going to be hard to sit back on high end lvl75 gear when se could end up with another 3 expansions like the last 3 where you augment lvl 99 gear

[Banter]

So that means there's no best armor right now? Stop being so fucking stupid; just because shit takes time to obtain, doesn't mean that there isn't a top of the line build.

[Zmega]

wow get laid man, but this is my point here it went up on pol not long after i made my post

http://www.playonlin...735/detail.html

Introduction of Armor Trials

To this point, Trial of the Magians has focused on the enhancement of weapons. New trials to be introduced in the coming version update, however, will be centered on a new series of armor that will be obtainable in Abyssea. A unique set will exist for each job, and when augmented through trials, their powers will truly be a sight to behold!

[Banter]

So that means that there is no current best set? Also I get laid pretty consistently, how about you?