[kenshyn]

Trying to come up with some strategies to best utilize smn in abyssea for xp and for hunting HNM. Wondering if anyone is putting earthen armor to use against mobs like glavoid who can dish 6k of damage in a shot talk about man down! How are the BP2 Nukes? How does the smn BP effect lights?

Just got my smn to 83 and working on my smn skill I /bow to those that have capped it cause this is painful as hell lol....


I also here ppl soloing NM and wondering which ones and how on alla one person is hitting 1900 windblades on em which is simply O.o....

[Lilsoulreaver]

kenshyn, on 22 September 2010 - 10:00 AM, said:

Trying to come up with some strategies to best utilize smn in abyssea for xp and for hunting HNM. Wondering if anyone is putting earthen armor to use against mobs like glavoid who can dish 6k of damage in a shot talk about man down! How are the BP2 Nukes? How does the smn BP effect lights?

Just got my smn to 83 and working on my smn skill I /bow to those that have capped it cause this is painful as hell lol....


I also here ppl soloing NM and wondering which ones and how on alla one person is hitting 1900 windblades on em which is simply O.o....

SMN has a good and bad effect in EXP pt's. Summoner BP's no matter if magical or physical create a Pearlescent Light. That's great for PT's trying to build Pearls. If you've got a lot of mages that aren't paying attention. A good 1500+ Magical Pact or PC will ensure that you get the kill if cast under 20% guarentees the chance at a pearl Light. Bad part is... well, when building Azure lights, you're pretty useless..LOL I found that buffing as a SMN in Abyssea PT's is more useful anyway than doing damage. If you activate a BP at 80%, but the time it goes off, the mob is either already dead or you're getting a melee kill when they're looking for magical kills. But, with so many melee out there for those type of pt's. they appreciate hastega a lot. Especially whm's and rdm's who burn through a lot of MP just hasting them all. And if BRD's or COR's are scarce, fenrir is useful. SMN still won't be preferred over these other jobs, but it does have it uses.

As far as NMz to solo, I too wouldn't mind some info on that. There's a lot of nice gear out there I want for SMN, I can't get anyone to assist with it. How are ppl solo'n? What areas are they using and what methods.

[HeavensSword]

In an Abyssea pt I had this past weekend, we had at least 2~3 smns at any given time and would occasionally pull 3~5 bats (we were in tahrongi canyon) and have 1 of the smn use odin and usually wipe out at least 2 or 3 of the bats we pulled. Would also let them get the 2hr restoration from the chests when they appeared. Was it really necessary? Probably not since abyssea XP is ridiculous anyway, but it was fun to watch and even faster XP is never a bad thing.

[fyreus]

Lilsoulreaver, on 22 September 2010 - 02:36 PM, said:

SMN has a good and bad effect in EXP pt's. Summoner BP's no matter if magical or physical create a Pearlescent Light. That's great for PT's trying to build Pearls. If you've got a lot of mages that aren't paying attention. A good 1500+ Magical Pact or PC will ensure that you get the kill if cast under 20% guarentees the chance at a pearl Light. Bad part is... well, when building Azure lights, you're pretty useless..LOL I found that buffing as a SMN in Abyssea PT's is more useful anyway than doing damage. If you activate a BP at 80%, but the time it goes off, the mob is either already dead or you're getting a melee kill when they're looking for magical kills. But, with so many melee out there for those type of pt's. they appreciate hastega a lot. Especially whm's and rdm's who burn through a lot of MP just hasting them all. And if BRD's or COR's are scarce, fenrir is useful. SMN still won't be preferred over these other jobs, but it does have it uses.

As far as NMz to solo, I too wouldn't mind some info on that. There's a lot of nice gear out there I want for SMN, I can't get anyone to assist with it. How are ppl solo'n? What areas are they using and what methods.

That's a pretty good piece of information Knowing that smn creates pearl and blu creates azure kinda tells you who should be able to pull off what and how helpfull it is especially since DD do NOT turn on magic kills or anything of the such. I might use this to help create faster lights if possible with duo teams post 20%.

[kenshyn]

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[Kaparu]

The best way to utilize summoner in Abyssea is to not use summoner in Abyssea. Nobody has only summoner, don't hinder the rest of your group beyond getting it to the nearest level cap.

And Glavoid only uses TP for that much damage if your group is retarded.

This post has been edited by Kaparu: 24 September 2010 - 01:26 PM

[kenshyn]

Keeping that post count going up I see your keyboard and mouse must be very sticky by now....

[Sakka_Valefor]

Kaparu, on 24 September 2010 - 01:23 PM, said:

The best way to utilize summoner in Abyssea is to not use summoner in Abyssea. Nobody has only summoner, don't hinder the rest of your group beyond getting it to the nearest level cap.

And Glavoid only uses TP for that much damage if your group is retarded.

You do realize that some people actually play the game to have fun, right? Now, while I do have BRD, WHM, and RDM leveled I sometimes want to go PUP or SMN in abyssea exp because they aren't as boring to play for hours on end.

[kenshyn]

Sakka_Valefor, on 24 September 2010 - 01:36 PM, said:

You do realize that some people actually play the game to have fun, right? Now, while I do have BRD, WHM, and RDM leveled I sometimes want to go PUP or SMN in abyssea exp because they aren't as boring to play for hours on end.

So very very very true a place for all in Abyssea in my book wait for it he can't help but get another post in starts to hold breath waiting....

[Kaparu]

Sakka_Valefor, on 24 September 2010 - 01:36 PM, said:

You do realize that some people actually play the game to have fun, right? Now, while I do have BRD, WHM, and RDM leveled I sometimes want to go PUP or SMN in abyssea exp because they aren't as boring to play for hours on end.

No group(familiar with that word? It has a lot to do with teamwork, which subsequently has a lot to do with putting selfish notions aside) gives a damn what you think is fun. People go to Abyssea because they want EXP, merits, or drops, and aside from less than a handful of fights, summoner is garbage for accomplishing all of those.

Cry to someone else because the job you find to be the most enjoyable has no actively relevant purpose. I'm sure all the ninjas, blue mages, scholars, and beastmasters would love to join in on a good depression-session.

[Sakka_Valefor]

Kaparu, on 24 September 2010 - 01:51 PM, said:

No group(familiar with that word? It has a lot to do with teamwork, which subsequently has a lot to do with putting selfish notions aside) gives a damn what you think is fun. People go to Abyssea because they want EXP, merits, or drops, and aside from less than a handful of fights, summoner is garbage for accomplishing all of those.

Cry to someone else because the job you find to be the most enjoyable has no actively relevant purpose. I'm sure all the ninjas, blue mages, scholars, and beastmasters would love to join in on a good depression-session.

Oh, I get it, you play this game like a job. You obviously don't play video games for enjoyment, or if you do; your definition of enjoyment is far different than mine and the general populace.

Sure, X or Y job might be better, but it doesn't hurt to change it up to have someone go Z job, even if it might be (gasp) less effecient. The linkshell I am in does most events with 6-10 people, and we are all rather flexible on jobs so people can generally go whatever they want to play as. I typically play white mage in the shell, because I am the only one with the job, but there are times when I am easily able to go as summoner or even puppetmaster. (strictly speaking damage, my PUP can easily pump out more than my summoner, even though my summoner's gear is damn near perfect outside of af3. Both are fully merited, as well.)

[Kaparu]

Did I mention that no group is responsible for caring what job you think is most enjoyable?

This isn't a case of, "I can't afford a Kraken Club, so my dark knight is less useful to my teammates than the guy next to me", this is you choosing to be inefficient because you want to play a stupidly designed class for thirty minutes because, everyone else be damned, you think its more fun.

[Sakka_Valefor]

Kaparu, on 24 September 2010 - 02:10 PM, said:

Did I mention that no group is responsible for caring what job you think is most enjoyable?

This isn't a case of, "I can't afford a Kraken Club, so my dark knight is less useful to my teammates than the guy next to me", this is you choosing to be inefficient because you want to play a stupidly designed class for thirty minutes because, everyone else be damned, you think its more fun.

Kaparu, you are so close-minded, it is almost useless arguing with you.. Go ride Eriuddo's dick more, 'kay?


I can prove my usefulness on Puppetmaster, and even Summoner, just fine. In fact, I had numerous parses of me doing far more damage than ANY OTHER JOB at different events. In fact, I did 64% Damage alone to Kaiser Behemoth in limbus (With 2 other blackmages and a corsair), I did more damage than two black mages combined in proto-ultima, and parsed 3% higher than the second highest parsing DD on a Seiryu. inb4: no one does old content. Sure, I might be better playing another job, but hey? guess what? I can hold my own on whatever job I play on. So much so that people have no problem with me playing a job that has "no relevant purpose."

My whole point in this is: I can prove my worth easily around the crowd I hang with. I am an aggressive player who does casual events. I don't play more than three times a week. That being said, I wouldn't be able to get into a linkshell that is all about efficiency because, typically, those linkshells are ones that require people to play the game as a fucking job. If I wanted to play the game as a job, I would run a few fish bots, craft bots, and sell gil. Obviously, I would be able to do just fine playing as Black Mage, Monk, Dancer, whatever your flavor-of-the-month is; but I do not have those jobs leveled and I will not at any time. I have more than enough jobs leveled on this character, and it isn't even a year old yet. Abyssea has made EXP so retardedly easy that if I wanted to, I could have anything else 85 and merited in under a week, but I, as a person, do not want to level anything else.

Stop being highly hypocritical, you stubborn fool.

This post has been edited by Sakka_Valefor: 24 September 2010 - 02:30 PM

[Kaparu]

Did you just justify your willful inefficiency by claiming you beat three other people in a parse doing an activity that completely wasted the time of three of the four people participating? Oh, wait, I bet four-manning a remarkably easy solo-zone was fun for you, wasn't it?

And I love the ever-prevalent ad hominem "flavor of the month" comments. Forgive me for not ignoring the fruitful adjustments this game is constantly throwing at us, as well as the constantly expanding knowledge we have of it.

I'll dickride whomever I choose, thanks. Casual ->

This post has been edited by Kaparu: 24 September 2010 - 02:39 PM

[Sakka_Valefor]

Kaparu, on 24 September 2010 - 02:38 PM, said:

Did you just justify your willful inefficiency by claiming you beat three other people in a parse doing an activity that completely wasted the time of three of the four people participating? Oh, wait, I bet four-manning a remarkably easy solo-zone was fun for you, wasn't it?

And I love the ever-prevalent ad hominem "flavor of the month" comments. Forgive me for not ignoring the fruitful adjustments this game is constantly throwing at us, as well as the constantly expanding knowledge we have of it.

I'll dickride whomever I choose, thanks. Casual ->

Is there something wrong with taking 4 people to the zone?

I mean, we did have 19 people at that limbus, of which 15 were occupied in the other three zones. I suppose we could've had 1 more person in each zone and have someone solo kings, but who wants to wait an extra hour and a half for them to finish? That's a large waste of time when we could start gathering for the next event, wherever it may be. Which, in my linkshell's case, was Einherjar. Damn us for having people wait an extra hour and a half to enter Einherjar because we wanted to take 1 extra person for the other three zones instead of taking 4 to kings!

This post has been edited by Sakka_Valefor: 24 September 2010 - 02:46 PM

[Aleera]

Dude, Sakka, XI is srs bsns... If you're not on highly efficient jobs by Kap's standards, you're doing it wrong... He doesn't understand the concept of doing things to have fun with friends, only getting the job done in the most effective manner possible.. Friends and fun don't exist to him, only tightly wound colleagues and winning matters. If you're not running @ 110% efficiency, you fail at the game and life!

[Kaparu]

Waiting an additional hour(which is a horrendous exaggeration.. That zone took less time at 75, nevermind 85) is less productive than completing an entire additional zone? I see how you came to that conclusion. I'd think someone with such a minuscule playtime would be a tad concerned that their linkshell is completing two zones with the capacity to clear all of Apollyon and half of Temenos in a single evening. Wait, what am I saying, that would mean people who actually have to come on useful jobs.

->

This post has been edited by Kaparu: 24 September 2010 - 02:53 PM

[Kaparu]

Says the dragoon, puppetmaster, and thief.

ITT: pigeon-holing fun

[Sakka_Valefor]

Kaparu, on 24 September 2010 - 02:51 PM, said:

Waiting an additional hour(which is a horrendous exaggeration.. That zone took less time at 75, nevermind 85) is less productive than completing an entire additional zone? I see how you came to that conclusion. I'd think someone with such a minuscule playtime would be a tad concerned that their linkshell is completing two zones with the capacity to clear all of Apollyon and half of Temenos in a single evening. Wait, what am I saying, that would mean people who actually have to come on useful jobs.

->

Learn how to read:

Sakka said:

we did have 19 people at that limbus, of which 15 were occupied in the other three zones.

[made it obnoxiously transparent for you to see]

4 people in kings, 5 people in each of the other three zones, that is 19 people total.

So, we should take three people to each zone then, right? I mean, this was pre-cap increase.


Wait, let me stop you there. three people. SAM/RDM/BRD. Snap. it doesn't have a COR or a DNC to fit your flavor of the month. Nor enough room to fit your perfect support behind 1 single DD. UR DOIN IT WRONG.

You're so hypocritical sometimes, it's hilarious.

Shut up and GTFO.

This post has been edited by Sakka_Valefor: 24 September 2010 - 03:04 PM

[Kaparu]

You didn't stop a damn thing, five people in a zone is a complete waste of resources. The only catch? You can't let selfish waterheads come summoner.