[-Kaine-]

Here's my next flame topic ahah..! However, it's a pretty serious toipic so let's get serious...

Parents these days don't know how to educate their children..! That's it, short and brief..
I'm saying this because nowadays you can see alot about these kids on TV and press reports.. kids that are totally out of control..! The stuff I've heard in an interview to an emo/scenequeen girl at "Le Iene", an interesting italian TV program (I don't know to which american show I can compare it), was about shocking..!
For example.. she talked about a meeting called "Durex".. basically it's a disco party were young people go with the intention of having sex with each other.. 13 years old girls going there to have orgies and counting and even competing how many different boys they had (often unprotected) sex with within a single night..! Without mentioning that these girls go to those parties alone even if it's hundreds of miles away from their homes and without any adult escort, and stay away from home for days.. And their parents..? Where the hell are their parents..!? We're not talking about adult and legally autonomous girls but about 12-14 years old girls whom are barely in their adolescence..! Is that acceptable now I say..? I think not.. when I was 13 years old I had to be home at 11:00 PM if my parents were generous enough.. and they always called at least one or two times while I was out just to check out if everything was alright..
In conclusion, this generation has really morally decayed.. and whose the fault..?
It's certainly and mostly the parents' who don't control appropriately their children and don't know how to give them a proper education.. but beside that, it's the whole society that has morally decayed much to give such bad examples to kids..

So my advice is.. if you don't know how to raise children, just don't have any..!

This post has been edited by -Kaine-: 25 September 2010 - 03:09 PM

[MrReinhardt]

So where these clubs at?

[Vigilous]

So the moral of the story is... Italy is fucked up?

[MrReinhardt]

Thought it was most of Europe?

[Xani]

Nah, UK doesn't do that.
We have hoodies beating up old ladies for £10.

[Tsuji]

I agree with Kaine. Many young kids / brats nowadays have this despicable extraordinary behaviour. Happens a lot in many countries I'm sure, not just Italy.
I have to say though, you can't always point the finger at the parents. Some children have a very defined personality from a very young age already, which can simply make them much harder to condition than other children. So its not always the parents who are to blame, but I do agree with Kaine's statement in general.

[Aleera]

I see it all the time here, but I blame parents being too young and not being responsible or mature enough to take care of their kids. I'm seeing them get pregnant at 15/16 (where the legal age of consent is 18) here and just not able to handle kids at that age. There's also this new paradigm for child raising lately that's allowed them to run rampant, which is that of the parent(s) trying too hard to be their child's friend and not their parent. I understand wanting to be there for your kid on a personal level, but people are just going about it all wrong these days and it's turning kids into little demon spawn. I've been thoroughly inspecting every prospective mate I've been seeking lately to make sure they're responsible and mature enough to raise a child with me, which sadly, has led me to be single for a while.. Which is kind of sad in a few respects, but mainly the fact that there's very few women in my area with the wherewithal to properly bring up my child in this world.

This post has been edited by Aleera: 25 September 2010 - 10:06 AM

[Varizen]

Actually, it starts in the 60's with the sexual revolution. Once the pill came along, paired with all the other forms of BC, no one cared anymore. The problem is no one teaches them about the consequences of their actions. Anyway, things have degraded since then because if you get pregnant, then you can abort it. Or you can pop a pill to protect you later.

So, what you get is a lax society that doesn't care anymore. It's not taught as an evil thing anymore. The best you can really do now is instead of encouraging abstinence is to encourage safety. Kids are gonna do it. It's impossible to stop. But every time some new pill comes out to control natural functions, it's pretty much a signal to go do something, because the consequences are gone.

Though amusingly, my quick internet search yielded amusing results saying Italy has some of the lowest teen pregnancy rates, while the UK and US have the highest (not counting African countries where it's a pretty usual deal.) I couldn't find much about STD rates. And most of the data I was finding was from 10 years ago.

[treelo]

Stop butchering the ellipsis you eyetie fuck.

Blame God, for doing such a shitty job of keeping his creations in check. With such a terrible role model, is it any surprise parents do such a bad job?

If you don't believe in God, blame the meteor that annihilated the dinosaurs. They didn't have these problems, and global warming was genuinely a natural phenomenon in those days.

[Wildstriker]

-Kaine-, on 25 September 2010 - 08:02 AM, said:

Here's my next flame topic ahah..! However, it's a pretty serious toipic so let's get serious...

Parents these days don't know how to educate their children..! That's it, short and brief..
I'm saying this because nowadays you can see alot about these kids on TV and press reports.. kids that are totally out of control..! The stuff I've heard in an interview to an emo/scenequeen girl at "Le Iene", an interesting italian TV program (I don't know to which american show I can compare it), was about shocking..!
For example.. she talked about a meeting called "Durex".. besically it's a disco party were young people go with the intention of having sex with each other.. 13 years old girls going there to have orgies and counting and even competing how many different boys they had (often unprotected) sex with within a single night..! Without mentioning that these girls go to those parties alone even if it's hundreds of miles away from their homes and without any adult escort, and stay away from home for days.. And their parents..? Where the hell are their parents..!? We're not talking about adult and legally autonomous girls but about 12-14 years old girls whom are barely in their adolescence..! Is that acceptable now I say..? I think not.. when I was 13 years old I had to be home at 11:00 PM if my parents were generous enough.. and they always called at least one or two times while I was out just to check out if everything was alright..
In conclusion, this generation has really morally decayed.. and whose the fault..?
It's certainly and mostly the parents' who don't control appropriately their children and don't know how to give them a proper education.. but beside that, it's the whole society that has morally decayed much to give such bad examples to kids..

So my advice is.. if you don't know how to raise children, just don't have any..!

I don't really believe in 'morality' as an abstract good/evil ideal (how nihilist of me), but putting that term aside I agree that parents are indeed to blame for this. That is, they are to blame for not warning their children of the damage to self esteem and psychological development that comes with having sex at such a young age.

However, I would like to posit a thought experiment for you to consider. If you grant the same sort of technological advancement to the "good old generation", such as cell phones, as well as all the social pressures such as reality t.v., then would they not also have the same sort of predicament?


My take, I doubt I'd be some sort of Casanova if I had a cell phone back when I was 12 (they did exist but they were rare, I am 21 now as an fyi) since I was rather plain, but I definitely do think my parents would have been less cautious since they would have had a way to contact me or I would have had an easier way to call the police if something were to happen. I think considerations such as these should be taken into account when judging whether or not to blame the individual or blame society as a whole.

Also,
inb4 Kenshiro

This post has been edited by Wildstriker: 25 September 2010 - 11:42 AM

[pathwriter]

I would lay down small money saying that these so-called Durex parties are a complete sham. Literally every other iteration on this particular claim has been false, too. These are lies manufactured by television producers capitalizing on two things:

1.) Parental panic - parents are taught to be afraid of everything right now EXCEPT what they should actually be afraid of (c.f. http://www.npr.org/b...uld?sc=fb&cc=fp)
2.) Adult sexuality - it's not kosher to admit it, but the human animal is designed to be attracted to teenagers and there's nothing more titillating for a middle-aged, semi-celibate adult than imagining all the sex they could've had when they were pubertal

The reality is that children in the First World are less sexual right now. There are more people putting off sex of any kind. The age at which boys and girls lose their virginity in the United States has risen in our lifetimes, not decreased. The Bush administration's failure to provide matter-of-fact STD-driven sex education has actually had a demonstrable impact in reversing this trend. When you teach abstinence-only and, more importantly, won't even allow the word "masturbation" to be said aloud, that's when teenagers get too pent-up and start acting out in ways that result in a schoolwide syphilis outbreak (go figure, every time I read about one of these, it seems to be coming from Texas or one of its neighbors).

This isn't to suggest that teenagers are blameless innocents. Actually, because they possess a fair amount of logical intelligence (yes, really) and a low amount of life experience, they're better at making logical cost-to-benefit analyses than their parents. The problem is that they're often wrong because logic isn't reliable. A teenager looks at the infection statistics of HIV for heterosexual vaginal intercourse and, especially as a male, he'll say, "Those odds are strongly in my favor." An adult looks at the same and probably comes to a similar conclusion, but ultimately says, "It still isn't work gambling my life."

To claim that the moral fabric of the world is unraveling is nonsense, though. Frankly, the Millennial Generation and its compatriots are a long ways better than their Boomer parents. Millennials believe in the idea of teamwork, have grown up actually trying to conserve, regard cars more as pollution sources and unnecessary, thrive via technology instead of crass consumerism or serious substance use, and are creating the most boring but effective backlash possible against the exploitative, hedonistic, self-centered ways of the Baby Boomers (Gen-X tried, but Gen-X is too nihilistic and ultimately couldn't stem the tide). For the most part, though, the level of "morality," whatever the hell that is supposed to be, remains stable for generation to generation going back to pre-history. Human culture doesn't rise or fall: it hovers. There is no point at which everyone was good and wonderful, nor is there ever a discernible point where common mores have been thrown to the wind.

It's a propaganda technique of the disillusioned and unfuckable older generation to complain about "kids these days," and it's quite depressing when the kids are so bred-in-the-bone-stupid that they actually buy it.

[Banter]

I didn't even read the OP, but I already know that you should probably stop bitching so much.

[treelo]

No, you.

[Kenshiro]

Everything done at a Durex party is beyond good and evil. - Friedrich Nietzsche