[Abeox]

PLD is actually needed anymore?
Please share.


EDIT: Sticky please or titts.

This post has been edited by Abeox: 25 October 2010 - 12:17 PM

[Sakka_Valefor]

Nope.

Even if it was my first time adventuring into a new zone and fighting new monsters, a MNK, SAM, or WAR should be able to handle tanking. If not, they should GTFO of the job.

(In fact, my LS often uses DNC and SAM as the two main tanks, other than the fact that the DNC is a taru with only 1.3k HP, we do just fine doing stuff)

[Banter]

Maybe something that you can't melee that still requires a conventional tank would be good for a PLD, but that's questionable.

[BaliCupid]

not too many anymore. i've even seen people with "pld no thanks" in their seacoms.

[Gredival]

1. AV
2. PW
3. There are still times when a PLD specifically may not be needed, but would still be more efficient and easier than a DD

This post has been edited by Gredival: 11 November 2010 - 08:00 PM

[Prothescar]

BLU

[Avarghaladion]

Gredival, on 11 November 2010 - 07:58 PM, said:

1. AV
2. PW
3. There are still times when a PLD specifically may not be needed, but would still be more efficient and easier than a DD

Aye, you may not -need- one but having a PLD around can make things a lot more manageable. I imagine its pretty handy for trying to pop !! on abyssea NMs. Also nice to have a beefy meatshield take the bulk of the heat so fewer/no members are dead come atma drop time.

[Banter]

Gredival, on 11 November 2010 - 07:58 PM, said:

1. AV
2. PW
3. There are still times when a PLD specifically may not be needed, but would still be more efficient and easier than a DD

Useless to bring a PLD to AV with the current kill style really, and it's rare that losing a DD or support is more efficient than bringing a PLD.

[Gredival]

PLD is useful for AV if you're spending time locking 2hrs. For the actual kill, yes it's pointless.

And there are tons of a fair amount of mobs where it's easier to tank with a PLD because they have better hp and hate generation relative to that mob. Any of the SW type mobs (Disgorge; I believe Carol 2 will get nerfed), Smok, the Amphiteres, Eccentric Eve.

And I'll go as far as to say that for the Caturaes, PLD is probably actually necessary.

This post has been edited by Gredival: 12 November 2010 - 10:47 PM

[Banter]

Gredival, on 12 November 2010 - 10:46 PM, said:

PLD is useful for AV if you're spending time locking 2hrs. For the actual kill, yes it's pointless.

And there are tons of a fair amount of mobs where it's easier to tank with a PLD because they have better hp and hate generation relative to that mob. Any of the SW type mobs (Disgorge; I believe Carol 2 will get nerfed), Smok, the Amphiteres, Eccentric Eve.

And I'll go as far as to say that for the Caturaes, PLD is probably actually necessary.

PLD has far less HP and hate generation than MNK.

[Gredival]

Tanking by damage doesn't work as well as PLD on mobs with hate resets. PLDs will be using HP atma, MNK can get them too I guess but at the point where they aren't using Atma the DD probably isn't that much of a difference to justify it.

For a lot of them it's not an issue of must but I see no reason to go with DD over PLD unless you really need to low man it

This post has been edited by Gredival: 13 November 2010 - 12:28 PM

[Avarghaladion]

Agreed. Its often just makes things a lot smoother. Like using an armoured humvy insteadt of a spikey dirt bike. You'll get where you're goin with both but the humvy's gonna be a more comfy ride.

[Banter]

Gredival, on 13 November 2010 - 12:27 PM, said:

Tanking by damage doesn't work as well as PLD on mobs with hate resets. PLDs will be using HP atma, MNK can get them too I guess but at the point where they aren't using Atma the DD probably isn't that much of a difference to justify it.

For a lot of them it's not an issue of must but I see no reason to go with DD over PLD unless you really need to low man it

That depends on recasts really, but even when it's favorable for PLD, MNK is going to do better most of the time.