[firefeng]

There's entirely too much shit to go over with the recent massive leak of U.S. Embassy messages. Between spying on allies (this I expected, and I'm not sure why people/media are fixating on it when anyone with common sense would realize it was occurring), to fun tidbits like China getting more and more annoyed with North Korea, I'm guessing this will be a treasure trove of utter embarrassment for all involved parties.

Unfortunately, there's a glut of information to sift through, so I figured you all could post relevant items as you find them here.

Wikileaks main Cablegate page.
FUN, GRAPHICALLY INTERACTIVE VERSION DISTILLING CERTAIN INFORMATION, SO IN MOTHER RUSSIA THINKING DOES YOU.

This post has been edited by firefeng: 30 November 2010 - 11:27 AM

[Corrderio]

I'm still trying to figure out what the guy running Wiki Leaks is trying to prove.

[Wildstriker]

Corrderio, on 30 November 2010 - 11:29 AM, said:

I'm still trying to figure out what the guy running Wiki Leaks is trying to prove.

Not to sound like Phyrexius, but I believe it's something about how people are horribly misinformed about the wars and conflicts they are actively participating in.

[Kenshiro]

Someone is ddosing wikileaks right now.

[firefeng]

They've been DDOSing it since the 28th. Some of the information has sifted out to scary, scary corporate media outlets for your perusal, though. You can try the second link if you can't get through to Wikileaks.

Corrderio said:

I'm still trying to figure out what the guy running Wiki Leaks is trying to prove.

That's alright, I'm still trying to figure out why everything you say is completely fucking irrelevant.

This post has been edited by firefeng: 30 November 2010 - 12:43 PM

[firefeng]

Obama & Co. are certainly for more transparent governance...except when it makes them look bad.

[Corrderio]

Wildstriker, on 30 November 2010 - 12:01 PM, said:

Not to sound like Phyrexius, but I believe it's something about how people are horribly misinformed about the wars and conflicts they are actively participating in.

Eh, maybe. Something just doesn't settle right with me about Wiki leaks though.

[Wildstriker]

Corrderio, on 30 November 2010 - 02:40 PM, said:

Eh, maybe. Something just doesn't settle right with me about Wiki leaks though.

Way to back up your opinion with facts or arguments dude.

[Corrderio]

Kind of hard to back up a feeling now isn't it?

[Wildstriker]

Corrderio, on 30 November 2010 - 03:45 PM, said:

Kind of hard to back up a feeling now isn't it?

I remember when this section used to have some sort of intellectual backbone that's degraded to nothing more than dust.

Firefeng said:

That's alright, I'm still trying to figure out why everything you say is completely fucking irrelevant.

[Corrderio]

Where have you been lately? That's all that KI has been for about 2ish years.

[Chriscoffey]

Wildstriker, on 30 November 2010 - 03:51 PM, said:

I remember when this section used to have some sort of intellectual backbone that's degraded to nothing more than dust.

I think it's funny how most people who do the counter "you are crazy" comebacks are the same people that never have a constructive counter argument that's a valid rebuttal. I try to back up the information I read with as much info as i can to state my own opinion or said belief. I am much more eager to have someone prove me wrong with valid info than some stupid fuck that has nothing but rhetoric bullshit to post against me.

[Keylime]

Does Julian Assange really need something to prove? Is it possible he is altruistic by nature? I highly doubt it but maybe he is doing it because he can, or because no one else will.

[pathwriter]

What I've found interesting about this whole affair is that, well, anyone is surprised. Did anyone seriously imagine that politicians and, more importantly, the analysts and administrators and other unelected government officials, lived their lives completely couched in Washington double-speak?

In the long run, this kind of leak will be for the best. It is forcing open channels of communication that had been kept closed for little or no good reason. It is forcing governments to act out in the open a little more. But I'm someone who believes in freedom of information and transparency of government. We need a Nixon again, someone who'll say straight up that he'll bomb the fuck out of anyone who pisses him off. We don't need someone who'll actually do that, mind you, but honesty would be a refreshing change for the bureaucracies of the world.

[Chriscoffey]

pathwriter, on 30 November 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

What I've found interesting about this whole affair is that, well, anyone is surprised. Did anyone seriously imagine that politicians and, more importantly, the analysts and administrators and other unelected government officials, lived their lives completely couched in Washington double-speak?

In the long run, this kind of leak will be for the best. It is forcing open channels of communication that had been kept closed for little or no good reason. It is forcing governments to act out in the open a little more. But I'm someone who believes in freedom of information and transparency of government. We need a Nixon again, someone who'll say straight up that he'll bomb the fuck out of anyone who pisses him off. We don't need someone who'll actually do that, mind you, but honesty would be a refreshing change for the bureaucracies of the world.

Except that now if you say anything you are labeled a terrorist against any goverment policy/rules even if you are being sarcastic. By the US's own history our founding fathers are terrorist. I can't see any politician being able to say "lets fuck someone up" if as a US citizen we have sacrificed our very own freedoms for limited securities, however, they get to do most things illegal that none of us can do ourselves.

[MrReinhardt]

Assange is also wanted by Interpol bear in mind. What puzzles me is how they are not able to freeze any bank accounts or stop any type of funding he is receiving. Yeah yeah, he's a hacker, but one would think if local police are employing hackers, Interpol would do the same. Kind of off topic sorry.

On topic, honestly I don't think any legal action will do jack shit since Assange is still yet to be found.

[octoberasian]

pathwriter, on 30 November 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

What I've found interesting about this whole affair is that, well, anyone is surprised. Did anyone seriously imagine that politicians and, more importantly, the analysts and administrators and other unelected government officials, lived their lives completely couched in Washington double-speak?

In the long run, this kind of leak will be for the best. It is forcing open channels of communication that had been kept closed for little or no good reason. It is forcing governments to act out in the open a little more. But I'm someone who believes in freedom of information and transparency of government. We need a Nixon again, someone who'll say straight up that he'll bomb the fuck out of anyone who pisses him off. We don't need someone who'll actually do that, mind you, but honesty would be a refreshing change for the bureaucracies of the world.

This. ^

Honesty in this point and time is best. There are people who are wondering what is going on in the government yet the government isn't telling them anything. They spew security issues or talks that the lives of intelligence employees and diplomats are at risk when in fact no one has been seriously targeted or killed.

The idea of hiding everything under a rug for what the government does (and does not) say or do or mistakes we commit shows dishonesty in the government. And, dishonesty in my eyes leads to distrust. If people cannot trust you, how can they expect your own people to listen to you (or let alone vote for you)? Right?

[Chriscoffey]

US Whistle Blower Bill

I think it quite amazing our goverment can introduce something so fast like this but anything that is really important to the citizens is a slow go. I also think anyone who believes the goverment won't kill you and hide that they did is crazy too if you say what is going on.

[firefeng]

Ono said:

What I've found interesting about this whole affair is that, well, anyone is surprised. Did anyone seriously imagine that politicians and, more importantly, the analysts and administrators and other unelected government officials, lived their lives completely couched in Washington double-speak?

I don't think many are surprised by the nature of these exchanges, but rather that they came to light in the first place and we finally get to see some of the transparency we were promised. It's less shock, and more of a refreshing surprise, like a splash of cold water to the face after you've been wandering the desert without food and water for days. Rather than staring at some immutable bulwark that defies our attempts to trust and understand, we now get to see a little glimpse inside.

And with the Whistle Blower Bill, the U.S. government has again shown it is completely incapable of understanding the sentiment of its own citizens. If you can't trust the government because of corruption and deceit, you can't trust another government organization that promises to do away with it. A government cannot regulate itself without leading to ever more heinous, compounding corruption--a government must be regulated by the society it governs, and to do that requires information, lest we all become crazed tea partiers spouting off nonsense because we don't have enough hard data to come to a rational conclusion.

Corrderio said:

Kind of hard to back up a feeling now isn't it?

We're not here to discuss your goddamn feelings. Facebook and Twitter are that way. --->

This post has been edited by firefeng: 01 December 2010 - 07:55 AM

[Keylime]

You know what, I'm just gonna fucking say it. I'll even type it big enough for those myopic shit heads at Homeland Security to see.

You ready?

Spoiler

Violently overthrow the established government of the United States of America.

And Also I'm not Phyrexius.

EDIT Missed a typo

This post has been edited by Keylime: 01 December 2010 - 05:06 PM