[voiddrk]

Anyone have some damage screenshots...... ? I mean i hear 2-4k but i havent seen a screenshot

[UNCTGTG]

voiddrk, on 08 December 2010 - 03:43 AM, said:

Anyone have some damage screenshots...... ? I mean i hear 2-4k but i havent seen a screenshot

Yes you can get that

[Nameless]

The WS has extremely high ceiling for a one hitter but is hugely depended on your buff and the mob you are facing. Because of no ratio bonus like gekko, spinning slash etc, it is hard to cap cratio. But as long as you have good attack buff, you will be seeing 2-3k. With food and endark mostly full time, that won't be too hard to achieve. Against harder mobs you will probably need a COR.

Extremely fun and beautiful WS to watch, and attack should be easier and easier to get as I am sure we will get another tier of attack JT somewhere next update.

[wigglestyx]

Could have sworn I had more shots but these two are all I could find.
Average is around 2200 with lows of 1.5, highest I have done is 3600 something. (over 3k seems to be rare, my party buffs are usually just march)


Atmas I have been playing with are: Griffon's Claw, Smiting Blow and either Apocalypse, Plaguebringer, or Razed Ruin.

[curiousdrk]

So judgeing from what has been said and the screenshots posted its safe to assume the 90 Apoc beats this aswell as Redemption then ?

[Banter]

Not defaulting to RR? lol

[Arkanethered]

What is your /ws setup Wiggle?

[Taint]

Ark are you done with 85 yet? All these gems are killing my inventory! Holding out from doing masa until I hear from you lol.

[Nameless]

curiousdrk, on 09 January 2011 - 07:31 AM, said:

So judgeing from what has been said and the screenshots posted its safe to assume the 90 Apoc beats this aswell as Redemption then ?

No, it does not. This should beat both apoc and redemption pretty easily, I am not sure about Ragnarok. Quietus usually does about 2/3 of my WS damage, and my LS mate has the lvl 90 version Redemption, mine is only 85 Caladbolg.

And my average matches with Wiggle's, around 2.1 2.2k is what I generally see. I have done upward 4.2k before, but that's as high as I got. The damage drops on NM, but if you can get attack, the damage jumps. Just got moonshade earring so I am going to see a small jump from the +25 bonus tp.

[Nameless]

Just to add to it, this is a pretty difficult WS to gear for. Alot of fixtures can and should be replaced. I sent a message to kirschy asking about how to gear for this, and this is what I had to say:

My current ideal setup is (I don't have some of the things yet, but aiming towards them):

Main: Caladbolg (85)
Sub: Rose Strap
Ammo: Bomb Core
Head: Twilight Helm (to get, now using v.helm... Stupid shinryu wouldn't drop any twilight gears even with blue !! 6 straight times..... no TH tho, maybe that's the problem)
Body: Ares's Cuirass
Hands: Bale Gauntlets +2 (To get. Alternative is heafoc Mitts, which I believe is worse, unless my attack is capped, and in that case, i would be capped in fstr as well so.. Plus the set bonus, which we will talk about later)
Legs: Bale Flanchards +2
Feet: Bale Sollerets +2 (I believe Onyx Sollerets is slightly better in pure damage when attack is not capped, but I also worry about fstr not being capped with the rest of my gears focusing on attack. Plus the set bonus again)
Ear1: Brutal (ppl would think this should be the fixture, but carefully think through it, it seems like bale earring is the superior choice in here. 5% DA is really just 1.25% damage on a 4.75 ftp ws disregarding acc, which could be an issue on secondary hits, thoughts?)
Ear2: Moonshade Earring (4 attack +25 tp bonus, debating if I should make it like this, it adds .25 ftp at 100%, which is about 5% boost to WS that is 60% of my damage)
Ring1: Rajas (Again, a fixture thing that is probably not a fixture, what would you think would be the better replacement?)
Ring2: Spiral Ring (Nice combination of STR and VIT)
Neck: Bale Choker (Snow gorget seems like the sexy choice, but 0.1 of 4.75 is probably not a big deal compare to attack when not capped)
Waist: Anguinus Belt (To get. I have fierce belt for now that is pretty close. The sexy choice would be snow belt, but same reason as snow gorget, I am not sure if would boost my damage up too much if my attack isn't capped)
Back: Atheling Mantle

Edit: about the set bonus, I have heard ppl seeing rare spike from torcleaver doing over 8k-9k. I believe those are impossible to do unless the damage is doubled. Which brings the question on can the AF3 set bonus proc on the WS? I don't see why it can't. I have seen a few spikes here and there since I replaced onyx sollerets to bale sollerets +2 couple with AF3+2 legs for the 0.5% set bonus chance. So, I am probably going to do a test soon regarding that.

Like I said, fixtures like brutal and rajas can be replaced. Snow gorget and belt are iffy unless your attack is capped. Let me know if there is anything I overlooked.

This post has been edited by Nameless: 10 January 2011 - 03:15 PM

[Banter]

Just about the Brutal earring and ACC comment, ACC should be a non-issue in the current state of the game.

[Arkanethered]

Shit Taint I didn't know you were waiting on me... 10/50 atm. Classes started which has slowed me down since I am dual boxing them all.

Ill try to speed it up a bit lol.

[Nameless]

Banter, on 10 January 2011 - 03:37 PM, said:

Just about the Brutal earring and ACC comment, ACC should be a non-issue in the current state of the game.

Where did I mention ACC?

Edit: NVM, I was talking about secondary hits ACC, for some reason I keep thinking it wouldn't be capped..... my bad. Still, Bale Earring should definitely give more than a 1.25% increase compare to bruta, and at the most you get 1.25 x 0.95l.

This post has been edited by Nameless: 10 January 2011 - 04:49 PM

[wigglestyx]

Arkanethered, on 10 January 2011 - 07:08 AM, said:

What is your /ws setup Wiggle?

85 Caladbolg
Head: Twilight helm
Body: Twilight mail
Hands: Torrid gages
Legs: Bale Flanchard +1
Back: Atheling mantle
Feet: Bale Sollerets +2
Neck: Snow gorget
Waist: Snow belt
Ring1: Corneus ring
Ring2: Strigoi ring
Ear1: Brutal Earring
Ear2: Eta earring
Ammo: Bibiki seashell

Will be dropping the VIT earring for Moonshade Earring (4 attack +25 tp bonus) and swaping Strigoi for Terrasoul Ring when I get one made (maybe 2).

[Nameless]

you gonna need a bullload of attack if you are going full VIT tho. Alot of attack are missing from that set. I am assuming you have good buff from outside most of the time?

[Arkanethered]

Where is your bigger bonus going to come from Nameless? Vit build or Str/Atk? Outside abyssea of course. Shit is to goofy inside.

[Nameless]

Based on what I have been doing since 1/3/11, 3 dynamis Xacabard, lots of Abyssea Heros zones (NM, not exp), and some random NMs, the biggest jump I have seen is from attack, very evidently I usually see a big jump on damage from LR, and a big decrease in the few mins that MY food wears off. However, our brds usually do march march, and there is no one going cor in the LS, so the only buff I have is usually food and endark for attack. Tho my attack is still sitting at around 850-900 during WS, but I am sure most LS will have more buff for their members.

In abyssea, I usually do RR, Apoc, and either PB or mount champ, or A/O, or griffin claw. So it is probably 100 more attack at the most from added str and atma. On most mobs it is enough, but some NMs it is usually not. I can see VIT adding a good amount of damage since our D + fstr + WSC won't be super high thanks to VIT mod, so adding 3 VIT is likely going to add about 0.75 to 1% damage. However, attack, if not capped and against mobs lvl higher than you, is going to be more effective. It all depends on the trade off obviously. Like I am not sure if I would trade bombcore for bibiki seashell or ares's cuirass for twilight mail. Torrid gage is pretty good, but as I mentioned, I suspect set bonus can proc during WS, that's why I went with AF3+2 hands, might have to rethink that one if the rate is low. VIT ring seems like a good replacement for rajas as well, and I believe I am going with the +25 bonus tp moonshade, tho I am going to swap brutal out for bale earring. Brutal, with our setup, which I am considering putting snow gorget back in, is going to be 1/5.1 x 0.05, which is less than 1% of overall damage. Bale earring on the other hand is going to dish out at least 1% of your attack, making it a slightly better choice imo unless obviously your attack is capped. Probably going to use snow belt instead of fierce too, but as we keep adding up ftp, the bonus is smaller and smaller....

Like I said, definitely a tough WS to gear for. I am beginning to think perhaps I need to get Ares's sollerets if the set bonus from using AF3+2 legs and feet isn't there.

[Banter]

Thus reconfirming that attack is generally the first thing that needs to be worried about in a WS build...?

[Nameless]

I believe so yes. Unless str is part of the modifier, then adding str adds both.

[wigglestyx]

I'd like to here your findings about the set bonus during weapon skills. I don't have +2 legs or hands so it would be sometime before I would see anything. (working on a LS members Verethragna and Dragua doesn't like to drop coins for us)

When I first made the set I was debating useing Twilight or Ares for body, I guess giving up 3 VIT for 24 attack is gona be better in the long run.