Chriscoffey, on 21 December 2010 - 07:31 PM, said:
Was your LS fighting Tiamat and the wyrms the day they became an option to fight? I mean from my own personal experience watching and helping fight those wyrms any PLD/NIN in those days could not hold hate. It wasn't because the PLDs didn't understand hate it was because hate was very hostile without all the additional bonus's and hate tools now easily available. I remember several times that anyone within range casting a cure IV was immediately killed or hit.The ones that were even beating the wyrms were doing so with the blm nuking in air and if any hate was lost they would plane hack up as whm after casting curaga so the tanks didn't die. The fire gear wasn't as easily available either.
I can only think to myself back then CE/VE was very off the wall and either capped too low so was lost in seconds or something else amiss. In either case i saw noone playing pld/nin with ease as today standards are and they were a challenge by any imagination. If you played then and understand where i am coming from with this then by all means correct me but from my recollection and being with different LS's they weren't anything close to as easy as this shit is today being fought. The wyrms had less abilities, compared to todays HNMs, but the players had considerably less as well. I thought that way more of a challenge than anything i have fought on the game so far. I mean provided the fact you aren't counting times when AV or Pandy were in cheat mode. I wish they had left them but most players wont give up experience unless their is a considerable bonus for killing them. I haven't fought any of the new HNM introduced so I can't really comment on every single mob in abyssea with the new content. What i do think are the HNM in abyssea before this newest expansion weren't anything close to the Tiamat/wyrm fights i remember for everyone then. The recently overblown proportionate gear that everyone has compared to then is just WAY better. I guess by comparsion it would be like going naked to the fights, without Atma boost, and without brew in abyssea.
The LS i were in could kill the kings in mere minutes and even the wyrms with each new progressive update. The "average player" would still take hours to beat even the easiest of mobs. That is directly proportional to the kind of challenge im talking about being forced in the past to excel or never kill to today's "cheat mode" playing. Back to the relic boost WS thing as UNC says and btw the guy's pretty cool Dark to talk too on game. I had the fortunate experience of being on the same server as him for awhile.
Unfortunately I had a very different experience. I was fortunate enough to be part of an LS that was killing wyrms like Tiamat, Jorm, Vrtra, Ouryu, Baha2, Cerb, Hydra, Khim, etc... right when they were all introduced. For example our first Timat kill involved 2 PLDs, SAM/THF and THF doing SC on the ground and magic bursting. The fight was no more challenging back then, than say Rani is today. Any decent LS with a good strategy can take it down and farm it with no problems. Randoms and pickups will have trouble farming it without brews. It seems you haven't given the new NMs a try either. Azdaja is a Vrtra type NM that uses Cyclone Wing (AoE high damage + Sleep II), Dispels Curor Buffs, Add Effect: Curse, Amnesia, Doom, casts -ga IV spells, etc... I'm by no means calling it a hard NM, because again any decent LS can take it down. But it's no joke. It's not a Cirein-croin. There's a handful of those NMs in Abyssea now and they're by no means mindless fights. I think it's a little lame to say the game has no challenges without giving the new NMs a try =/. I have no doubt you can kill them, and if you beat a handful of them /w a group of 8-12 and still say the game holds no challange, I'll be more than happy to eat my words!
In regards to the relic boost, I'd love to see data on the relic proc rate. But my hopes aren't too high on anyone running a good test for that. I'll probably have to run something myself when I finish up my Lv90 trial~
This post has been edited by Kirschy: 21 December 2010 - 09:52 PM
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