[Hackysacky]

To be honest this game is fun. its not an epic game but its only been out for a few. But so far its not so bad especially with the new improvements.
Lack of an AH isn't so bad just takes an extra min or so to find what you want. Only problem is people jack prices up too high, but this is not SE's problem.
The originality of the game is neat being able to use other Classes abilities on other classes is fun and you can come up with some cool combinations. Unlike sub-job your not limited to one job or level.
All in all its a fun and exciting game. Again only been out for a few most games have little content in their first few months.

Also as for glitches and bugs, i haven't run into any so far.

Anyone else like the game? (lol)

(edit) Almost forgot. From what i figured so far is ffxiv has allot of stuff ffxi players were crying about. More craft involvement, Better customization, updated graphics, better gathering system, more abilities, more jobs with provoke, better cut scenes, actual voices in the game, better maps, Radar with monsters,coordinates on the map that move as you scroll. The list can go on and on.

This post has been edited by Hackysacky: 26 December 2010 - 04:45 AM

[Velhart]

You obviously are not past lv.20 yet, where it is nothing but grindfest which is even worse than FFXI's back then. No reason to group with parties either, not to mention the extreme lack of content end game, where there is little to no content at all. NM's may be the only worthwhile thing, but they are only for people who are willing to go through the hardship of grinding all the way to max, which is a very small portion of FFXIV's population.

The search engine is nothing but inconvenient, especially how server lag can be sometimes, and the developers need to admit it is a bad idea and put in a proper AH. A slow and inconvenient interface may be okay with you, but the majority of people have a hard time tolerating it. It still takes forever to sell items and set things in properly. In all fairness to SE, it is improving a lot and we will see a lot of improvements to it, I am personally looking forward to their mouse and keyboard interface.

Overall, it is not near the satisfaction of where it should be, especially with the name "Final Fantasy" infront of it.

[Corrderio]

Vel nailed it. When you get to rank 20 sodomy sounds more appealing than the long assed grind ahead of you.

[Hackysacky]

Well lately iv'e been playing allot of Korean MMOs so i guess grinding is no big deal for me. As for slow interface mines not slow at all and i rarely experience any lag. Of course theres no end game content i don't think SE expected people to be at end game yet. I'm sure it will come very soon.
FFXI before the ROZ expansion didn't have much end game in it either nor did it have much content. When it came to US with ROZ exp then it received majority of its content.
Also cant be worse than Aion was.

This post has been edited by Hackysacky: 26 December 2010 - 03:23 PM

[rambus]

Hackysacky, on 26 December 2010 - 03:23 PM, said:

Well lately iv'e been playing allot of Korean MMOs so i guess grinding is no big deal for me. As for slow interface mines not slow at all and i rarely experience any lag. Of course theres no end game content i don't think SE expected people to be at end game yet. I'm sure it will come very soon.
FFXI before the ROZ expansion didn't have much end game in it either nor did it have much content. When it came to US with ROZ exp then it received majority of its content.
Also cant be worse than Aion was.

when we say "lag" we mean things are slower then they should be, It even exists in FFXI with NPC menu selection, it don't matter how good your comp or interent connection is, the ingame lag and the un-needed extra menus gets old.

ill give a good example of extra unneeded menus that my friend told me with the recipe update thing. she can hit "do iron nuggts" then it makes her hit something thats along of the lines of "confrim synth" then it asks her again if she wants to make iron nuggts then you hit ok to use crystals or w/e. that interface alone has an extra 2-3 unneeded menus. if you want to see what a game should be play wow. the UI has no lag, has no retarded menus like that.

if you compare wow and FFXIV UIs you will see how much FFXIV has ingame lag.

the battle system is slow overall (they said it was suppose to be more action orientated then ffxi when really its slower)
synthing is slow, the mini games are fun for like say first 10 levels or something but when you have to do 100 of them for 1 level it gets old fast.

when we say content it is expected that there is no endgame at launch, however it lacks contant even for a new game ( i think)

you have 8 ragon leves, 8 crafting leves ona 36 hr timer, some class spific quests and a very few storyline quests, this day and age a NMO cant come out new with lacking content like that.

you ever have a command float over the chat box? its BS how you have to fight with controls when that happens, also you cant target though the chatbox ( something wow has no issue dealing with)

This post has been edited by rambus: 26 December 2010 - 04:05 PM

[Daysleeper]

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the battle system is slow overall (they said it was suppose to be more action orientated then ffxi when really its slower)
synthing is slow, the mini games are fun for like say first 10 levels or something but when you have to do 100 of them for 1 level it gets old fast.

I'd like to second this statement. The battle system in XIV is absolutely terrible. I think SE's skewed vision of a "faster paced" battle system is absolutely retarded. They should have taken the starting abilities for XIV and made them an auto-attack, instead of being idiots and trying to make it seem as if you get more abilities.


You ask why people are complaining? Have you been living in a hole? I can write a novel about the fuck up that is FFXIV, but I'll just scratch the surface here.

The UI is awful, laggy and unorganized.
Levequest system is absolute garbage, its basically FOV with an unreasonable cooldown.
Market Wards/Retainers are the biggest waste of time in this game to date (even with their most recent update).
The armor/weapon level system has got to be the dumbest implemented idea I have ever seen.
The "hotbar", or whatever they call it is just stupid. It would have better if actions could have just been toggled as active (and selected from a list, like every other fucking Final Fantasy game).
Battle system - as mentioned above.


SE spent too much time trying to make FFXIV different and stand out. They surely succeeded at that. FFXIV is now the openly gay emo kid that nobody likes and everybody stares at sitting alone in your high school cafeteria.

This post has been edited by Daysleeper: 26 December 2010 - 06:25 PM

[Hackysacky]

All i can say is focus on the good and stop paying so much attention to the bad especially since its free for now. its an original idea its gonna take time to get use to. I also wonder if ffxi never came out and this came out would people be so harsh?

This post has been edited by Hackysacky: 26 December 2010 - 09:21 PM

[Corrderio]

And what would you consider good? Since all I see is a painful grind, taking forever to get anywhere due to lack of anima, and a community that doesn't talk.

Also, I haven't seen XIV do anything original so far.

[rambus]

Hackysacky, on 26 December 2010 - 09:20 PM, said:

All i can say is focus on the good and stop paying so much attention to the bad especially since its free for now. its an original idea its gonna take time to get use to. I also wonder if ffxi never came out and this came out would people be so harsh?

few things

1. without criticism especially constructive criticism things will not improve, the short failings need to be pointed out, made pubic so things will change ( since SEs past track record with FFXI it is hard to change things that need to be changed or that changes come 1-5 years late)

2. I do not have fun fighting basic controls, like i said if you want a very basic example:
have some command go over the chat box, or target though the chat box. you can work around it but ti is annoying at times and frustrating thus takes enjoyment out of the game. ( wow chatboxes dont work like that, you can target though them, they dont lock you up just by hovering over them and so on, they also have hotlinks in them)
[have you ever played wow? you can send "links" to people of your gear. If FFXI or FFXIV used wow's chat box system i could shout in the game [novio earing] {do you need it} and you will be able to highlight the novio earing to see its stat (+7 mab) in case you didnt know what it had. with all the different stats in FFXIV like control , crafting stats, gathering stats and combat stats that would be useful. why FFXIV does not have hotlinks like wow does I have no idea why and i am really baffled by it. A lot of reviewers say that i agree with FFXIV has a feel it was programed in a vaccum. new concepts are great like how you can equip abilites from different classes and make your own class. I think trying to make a differenet system then the AH is a good idea. the problem with it is that all the systems in FFXIV where poorly executed. They are laggy and sometimes frustrating to deal with. thats why there is not a lot of people playing the game]

3. IF FFXI never took place in 2003 and they had thier first MNO in 2010 (what we call FFXIV) I dought it would make it at all. The MNO genere is filled with games now and its not more of FFXI vs FFXIV, its why should i play FFXIV over wow or some other MNO. The reason for this is that a first MNO now would prob have less fanboys backing it vs now where ffxiv has returning FFXI players. People would be hard pressed to switch over from games like wow that has a very good refined UI to this game. I do not want to agure wow's contant vs FFXIV's I am strictly walking about the UI and such. (plus if you combine the stupid billing system of FFXI, since that was thier first NMO+ making updates that people complain about taking place 5 years late, the game would of defently have fallen with the times now.)

people may of tolerated more things before, but this is 2010, almost 2011, there is no room for basic shit like fighting controls or laggy UIs.

4. whats good about FFXIV:
music
class customization
graphics (the mass copy paste brings this point down though)

bad about FFXIV:
the other 85%

if it is something like 50/50 it would be a bit easier to "focus on the good things" but the truth of the matter is, there is not much good about the game. Compare to FFXi, compare to wow ( games I know) and the only thing that has a different feel that seems innovate is how you equip stuff from different classes and trying to do a non-ah system.

This post has been edited by rambus: 26 December 2010 - 10:24 PM

[Hackysacky]

I dont know from what im experiencing the game is fun. Maybe i just have a better outlook on things or more tolerate. I do admit SE needs to change ALLOT of things but for now im happy with what i have until they add more/fix more.

[Corrderio]

What rank are you?

[Hackysacky]

I will admit the lack of a mailbox is frustrating. and im Pug R26 P27

[Corrderio]

Okay I'm impressed. Rank 20 is pretty much my breaking point for me. Only reason I haven't bailed is because XI would cost too much to get back into (Abyssea addons, transfer, etc)

[Hackysacky]

im just having fun with the new stuff. ignoring the problems and just overall getting use to them. ive played many failed games so this isnt so bad. could be worse could be like alpha or beta.

i really like the idea of mixing abilities and having gear not being 100% Dependant on level.

This post has been edited by Hackysacky: 26 December 2010 - 10:59 PM

[rambus]

did you try having something over the chatbox yet?

anyone can find fun anything, it does not make the game immune from countless mistakes.

why is there no hot links like wow has?

why did they insist of oversteping thier graphic resorces to a point they need to copy paste whole areas?

have you tried leveling a mage class to a high level? that chat box and the bad targeting can get in the way.

when i solo leves i may die more often then i need to because I cant take the second mob out form being target locked on a dead mob.

tank classes have more problem dealing with the stamia system due to having to raise shield, use melee attack, shield ability, provoke, and thier own curing moves. hard to use tp moves after doing all that.

it still feels like a beta and thats prob the biggest reason why its free, like croggie said why not just play a free game vs paying out for server transfer and the expands?

i can put up not having a mailbox, i would even go to the point in saying the game has more problems then a mail box, i really do not care about that right now. what i do care about is fixing the damn chatboxes, UI and targeting.

Pug 26 , r 27 means you prob never crafted, trying to talk while crafting or replaying to tells is still a pain in the ass ( was huge pain in the ass when the game was new)and you have to fight with the command window with that at times.

the new crafting mini game is nice, maybe that system is innovative but that is useally overshadowed with compaining how long it takes to level. each synth can take about 3-5 mins to do and you may have to do 20-100 of them( depending on level) to get one rank up. that does not even address the issue of why does my rank 10 synth needs rank 35 items from 2 different crafts.

with everything good in the game or stuff that should work in theory there could be 1-5 things wrong with the said good thing (like how i did the + and - on crafting). because of that all the little good in the game gets completely overshadowed.

that is why people mass bash it.

This post has been edited by rambus: 27 December 2010 - 05:30 PM

[Velhart]

It is a matter of perspective really, even though a game has flaws, someone may still like the game. Everyone has their own standards. Hell I knew people back in the day who loved Superman 64. Can't tell someone if they should be having fun or not.

[Wildstriker]

Velhart, on 27 December 2010 - 06:29 PM, said:

It is a matter of perspective really, even though a game has flaws, someone may still like the game. Everyone has their own standards. Hell I knew people back in the day who loved Superman 64. Can't tell someone if they should be having fun or not.

/thread imo.

[Daysleeper]

Nobody is telling him to dislike the game... This game sucks balls by the way.

[Avarghaladion]

All they'd have to do to fix the chatting while crafting thing would be to get rid of the ridiculous timer. There's no reason for the timer to exist.

This post has been edited by Avarghaladion: 28 December 2010 - 02:50 AM

[Daysleeper]

Avarghaladion, on 27 December 2010 - 11:41 PM, said:

All they'd have to do to fix the chatting while crafting thing would be to get rid of the ridiculous timer. There's no reason for the timer to exist.

I disagree with getting rid of the timer. I figure the timer is there for a reason. Instead of making everything 100% random, I feel there is a forumla to success (last resuly+crystal color+stability + day etc.). Adding the timer forces you to make a faster decision instead of referencing guides and findings that other players figure out.