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News article can be found here.

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Shouts break the evening silence.

“Police! Search warrant!”

Officers burst through the door. A man appears across the room. Metal glints from his clasped hands. Shots echo from a police-issue Glock 22. Todd Blair slumps to the floor.

“Five seconds,” said Blair’s mother, Arlean. “In five seconds, he was dead.”

Officers entered Blair’s home Sept. 16 during a drug raid when he stepped into the hall, wielding a golf club, police video shows. Ogden police Sgt. Troy Burnett shot Blair, 45, in the head and chest.

The shooting was deemed legally justified.

“They could have handled it a lot better,” Arlean Blair countered. “They could have tasered him. They could have done a lot of things other than shoot him.”

Investigation reports obtained by The Tribune depict an operation that took some unexpected turns away from protocol before that one explosive moment.

Grounds for search » Whether Todd Blair was a meth dealer or just a well-connected addict is a matter of dispute. Investigators from Weber and Morgan counties began watching Blair in 2009 after hearing that he was letting drug dealers live at his home in exchange for their products, according to the search warrant request. There were previous reports of meth traffic to and from the home, near 5900 South and 2600 West in Roy.

Investigators gathered evidence that it was Blair’s roommate, Melanie Chournos, buying and selling meth — a factor in the no-knock search that would precede Blair’s death.

Detectives later saw Blair leaving for short, nighttime trips, which suggested drug trades, they wrote. Two tipsters claimed that they had seen Blair — not just Chournos — handing drugs to customers.

Investigators, however, didn’t report seeing Blair make a transaction.

“He was not a dealer,” Arlean Blair insists. “I know that he used ... but he was not a drug dealer. A drug dealer has lots of money and nice things. If you looked in his house, he had nothing. He gave everything away to people who were having trouble.”

Two of Blair’s friends claimed they never saw him even use drugs, but others told police he had caved in to his meth addiction.

“He was paranoid,” said Candice Coburn, who added she was Blair’s on-again, off-again girlfriend. “His brain was fried. He would punch and yell at invisible people and me.”

On Sept. 16, the day of Blair’s death, Weber-Morgan Narcotics Strike Force investigator Shane Keyes received word that Blair had 2 ounces of heroin and would be getting more that night. Keyes asked 2nd District Judge Scott M. Hadley for a no-knock, nighttime search warrant because house “lookouts” were known to give warning when police were nearby. Meth dissolves quickly, Keyes added, and “if given the opportunity, Chournos will destroy the evidence.”

However, the warrant doesn’t mention that Chournos had already moved out of Blair’s home — a development officers noted in interviews after his death.

“I had been told that there was some ... domestic violence,” said Weber County sheriff’s Sgt. Nate Hutchinson, who was involved with the raid.

Blair was living alone. Because of the reports of violence, officers decided to wait until he left, pull him over in his Pontiac Grand Am and then search the empty house.



“Dynamic entry” » That night, officers saw people come and go from the home. Finally, a man matching Blair’s description got into the car with a woman and drove away.

Officers pulled them over, but instead found it was Blair’s friend, who had been staying with him. Police released the couple and returned their attention to Blair’s home.

The SWAT team prepared for a “dynamic entry” — breaking through the door and subduing anyone inside.

Normally, that involves extensive planning, officers said in investigation interviews.

“A PowerPoint presentation is typically put together (and) a briefing of everybody sitting around the round table in our office ... and all the details are laid out as far as the suspect, the location, the route in, the ... evacuation points and ... where the closest medical [facility] is,” officer Brandon Beck said in a transcribed interview with county investigators.

Instead, the team gathered at a nearby retirement home to go over the plan.

To do a dynamic entry without the in-office briefing is “absolutely not our standard,” said Burnett, the officer who shot Blair, during an interview with investigators.

On the video, minutes before the raid begins, an officer can be heard asking the group, “Did somebody grab a copy of the warrant off my desk?”

“Oh, don’t tell me that,” Burnett replies. He then tells the other officers, “He doesn’t have a copy of the warrant.”

Because the warrant was for a no-knock search, the copy wasn’t necessary to enter the house, Weber County Attorney Dee Smith said.

“Someone could have easily hurried and brought it back [from the office],” he said.

There is no time limit for when a warrant should be presented to a subject, agreed Ogden Police Chief Jon Greiner — “it depends on the situation” — but generally when a warrant is served, “It’s in [officers’] possession at the time.”

As the raid played out, Blair wouldn’t ask for the warrant anyway.



Officers rush in » Burnett was assigned to lead the team in. It wouldn’t be his first use of deadly force — in 2006, he shot and killed white supremacist William Glen Maw after Maw fled from a traffic stop and then turned and pointed a gun at Burnett. Then-Weber County District Attorney Mark De Caria commended him for his bravery.

Outside Blair’s house, Burnett held his .40-caliber Glock 22 “at the low ready,” with a round in the chamber. Six other officers were behind him. It was about 9:30 p.m. when they began to yell, “Police! Search warrant!”

After three strikes on the door, it burst open.

Accounts of what happened next vary by a second here and a foot there.

Those minutiae matter, Smith said.

“We actually broke [the video] down frame by frame,” he said.

The second man in, Ogden officer Jared Francom, said Burnett had gotten “about one foot in the door” when gunfire erupted.

Burnett recalled:

“The door flew open. I was first in the door. I went to the right to ... a living-room area. ... I moved to the right to dig my corners.

“[The number of] feet from the front door to where I first saw him, I don’t know ... eight feet from inside the front door, but I had went ... to the right. I don’t know how far.”

Blair appeared in the door frame holding a MacGregor Lite golf club in the stance of a right-handed batter.

“He had some silver thing. ... I thought it was a sword or something,” Burnett said. “It was silverish and thin.

“I didn’t think about saying words. I just thought about not getting hit, or slashed or whatever.”

The distance from Burnett to Blair has been estimated between “a little more than an arm’s length away,” according to Burnett, to 8 feet, as reflected by a scale diagram showing positions of the shell casings.

“There’s no way to say an exact measure,” Smith said.

Also important is whether Blair was moving toward the officers. Blair initially wasn’t in the doorway but appeared about a second later — technically an “approach,” Smith said. Then he appears to take “about two steps into the doorway with the club raised,” Smith said.

Burnett didn’t remember Blair advancing.

“I’m sure that I was moving forward,” he said. “I don’t know if he was. He was just — it seemed like he was just kind of still. ... I can’t recall him chasing after me. I don’t recall that. He was just right there.”

Francom said, “It appeared to me that he was coming toward us. But there wasn’t much time for him to make too much of an advance before.”

Ultimately, Smith said, it was Burnett who didn’t have time to wait.

“Our best conclusion is it would have taken less than half a second for Mr. Blair to close that gap and strike the officer,” he said.

Aftermath » Video after the shooting shows an officer putting handcuffs on Blair and searching for a pulse. Burnett orders a call to medics and stays in the front room, while other officers search the house.

“Everybody out,” Burnett says. “This is a different crime scene now.”

It isn’t clear from evidence logs whether investigators found the drugs they were looking for. There was paraphernalia and “a small, pink plastic bag with a white crystal substance.”

But neither the substance nor its amount is identified, and officials with the Weber-Morgan Narcotics Strike Force didn’t return The Tribune’s calls for comment.

Ogden police investigated the shooting independently and agreed it was justified.

“He had less than a second to make a decision with a guy swinging what looked like a sword in his hands,” Greiner said. “We train these officers regularly on how to defend themselves and be able to go home at night.”

He said his department also reviewed strategies for no-knock search warrants.

“We’ve discussed a couple of ways as to how we can be more careful,” he said without elaborating. “The problem is, what you’re looking for could easily be destroyed and there’s generally weapons. ... I just don’t know an easy way to get in there.”

Blair’s family has obtained a copy of the video and reports. Neither Arlean Blair nor her two daughters have viewed them.

“No way,” said Todd Blair’s sister, Delene Hyde. “How could I watch my brother’s murder?”

The family has discussed suing police but hasn’t finalized anything.

“We decided to let it rest until after Christmas,” Arlean Blair said. “Christmas is a special time in our family — him [Todd Blair] included.”


I'm disgusted by the actions of these officers. A middle of the night no knock raid that they forgot to bring the warrant to. The only way they could have fucked this up even more is if they broke into the wrong house and shot a kid.
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see, this is why they shouldn't just let anybody have a gun.
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I'd say this is why they shouldn't let certain people have a badge.
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This is where I give a fuck
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Same situations are happening in Puerto Rico lately. The cop's were heavily disarmed because they were shooting anyone for any stupid reason.
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I remember reading a news article about that some time ago.
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Honestly I would feel worse for the guy if it weren't for the Meth part. I'm a recreational user of several narcotics myself, but the whole meth thing is truly a plague. Nothing good ever comes from use of it imo. So yeah the cops were out of line, and botched several procedures. Honestly tho that's nothing new. We live in a police state where civil liberties are dwindling at an alarming rate. Every other show on T.V. is some cop BS, or Law & Order CSI clone. Makes people less shocked when some retard good ol boy cops blast someone wielding a deadly 5 Iron. Still tho like I said... would feel worse for the dude if he was a harmless pothead etc... but one less meth user/dealer ... oh well.
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View PostZak, on 28 December 2010 - 02:57 AM, said:

Honestly I would feel worse for the guy if it weren't for the Meth part. I'm a recreational user of several narcotics myself, but the whole meth thing is truly a plague. Nothing good ever comes from use of it imo. So yeah the cops were out of line, and botched several procedures. Honestly tho that's nothing new. We live in a police state where civil liberties are dwindling at an alarming rate. Every other show on T.V. is some cop BS, or Law & Order CSI clone. Makes people less shocked when some retard good ol boy cops blast someone wielding a deadly 5 Iron. Still tho like I said... would feel worse for the dude if he was a harmless pothead etc... but one less meth user/dealer ... oh well.

Just because the guy decided to throw his life away for a meth addiction, doesn't give someone the right to take it from him.

Is the world a better place with one less meth user? Depends on which side of the fence you're on. But even if your answer is yes, the means aren't justified by the end result. That's what the issue here is. Not that some crackhead is dead, but that he is dead from a bad judgment call by some "authority figure" who can't even bring fucking documentation with them as to why they're busting down the door in the first place.

As for the technicality talk on "well there's no real time frame for you being served your warrant".... bullshit. absolute bullshit. That's the type of fuck up that gets court cases thrown out by a good lawyer. But hey, cops will never admit to making a mistake, right?

Alright ima leave it at that before i turn into phryrexius lol.
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Honestly I would feel worse for the guy if it weren't for the Meth part. I'm a recreational user of several narcotics myself, but the whole meth thing is truly a plague. Nothing good ever comes from use of it imo. So yeah the cops were out of line, and botched several procedures. Honestly tho that's nothing new. We live in a police state where civil liberties are dwindling at an alarming rate. Every other show on T.V. is some cop BS, or Law & Order CSI clone. Makes people less shocked when some retard good ol boy cops blast someone wielding a deadly 5 Iron. Still tho like I said... would feel worse for the dude if he was a harmless pothead etc... but one less meth user/dealer ... oh well.


What?!

Insane troll logic is insane troll logic. And I don't mean internet troll, either.
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View PostZak, on 28 December 2010 - 02:57 AM, said:

Honestly I would feel worse for the guy if it weren't for the Meth part. I'm a recreational user of several narcotics myself, but the whole meth thing is truly a plague. Nothing good ever comes from use of it imo. So yeah the cops were out of line, and botched several procedures. Honestly tho that's nothing new. We live in a police state where civil liberties are dwindling at an alarming rate. Every other show on T.V. is some cop BS, or Law & Order CSI clone. Makes people less shocked when some retard good ol boy cops blast someone wielding a deadly 5 Iron. Still tho like I said... would feel worse for the dude if he was a harmless pothead etc... but one less meth user/dealer ... oh well.


I guess you don't like meth users because they bot all the good stuff.



Did I say bot? I meant bought.

This post has been edited by Wildstriker: 28 December 2010 - 09:53 AM

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Idk i saw right away that it was a golf club. One thing was sure though, it was not deadly and he was in a defensive stance. The cop plays too much CoD
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View PostAeonknight, on 28 December 2010 - 04:19 AM, said:

Just because the guy decided to throw his life away for a meth addiction, doesn't give someone the right to take it from him.

Is the world a better place with one less meth user? Depends on which side of the fence you're on. But even if your answer is yes, the means aren't justified by the end result. That's what the issue here is. Not that some crackhead is dead, but that he is dead from a bad judgment call by some "authority figure" who can't even bring fucking documentation with them as to why they're busting down the door in the first place.

As for the technicality talk on "well there's no real time frame for you being served your warrant".... bullshit. absolute bullshit. That's the type of fuck up that gets court cases thrown out by a good lawyer. But hey, cops will never admit to making a mistake, right?

Alright ima leave it at that before i turn into phryrexius lol.



Not to mention there was about 5 seconds between "POLICE SEARCH WARRANT" and blam blam blam. There was no attempt made to give the suspect a chance to surrender. And speaking of Phyrexius, I'm surprised he hasn't turned up in this thread with some infowars/Alex Jones/prison planet shit yet.
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View PostAeonknight, on 28 December 2010 - 04:19 AM, said:

Just because the guy decided to throw his life away for a meth addiction, doesn't give someone the right to take it from him.

Is the world a better place with one less meth user? Depends on which side of the fence you're on. But even if your answer is yes, the means aren't justified by the end result. That's what the issue here is. Not that some crackhead is dead, but that he is dead from a bad judgment call by some "authority figure" who can't even bring fucking documentation with them as to why they're busting down the door in the first place.

As for the technicality talk on "well there's no real time frame for you being served your warrant".... bullshit. absolute bullshit. That's the type of fuck up that gets court cases thrown out by a good lawyer. But hey, cops will never admit to making a mistake, right?

Alright ima leave it at that before i turn into phryrexius lol.


I certainly didn't imply that the cops bungled attempt at justice gets a pass cause the victim was a dirty meth user. Just pointing out that one less meth user is not something I'll lose sleep over. As far as the cops, and their mishandling of the situation... you'd have to be pretty young or live in a cave to not know that this sort of injustice happens on a regular basis in this country. It will only continue to happen more frequently as we watch our civil liberties ebb away.

View PostVigilous, on 28 December 2010 - 09:05 AM, said:

What?!

Insane troll logic is insane troll logic. And I don't mean internet troll, either.


I'd be happy to debate the "flaws" in the logic of my statement if you had cited any...

View PostWildstriker, on 28 December 2010 - 09:41 AM, said:

I guess you don't like meth users because they bot all the good stuff.

Did I say bot? I meant bought.


My Christmas wish for next year will be that you live in Utah, use meth, and get shot in the face when the cops raid your house.

This post has been edited by Zak: 28 December 2010 - 04:48 PM

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View PostZak, on 28 December 2010 - 04:45 PM, said:

My Christmas wish for next year will be that you live in Utah, use meth, and get shot in the face when the cops raid your house.



Or being a woodcarver in Seattle.
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According to KI regulars, anyone who disagrees with you is a troll. No wonder this forum turned to shit.
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View PostKeylime, on 28 December 2010 - 04:58 PM, said:

Or being a woodcarver in Seattle.


Not familiar with the reference. Do tell.
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View PostZak, on 28 December 2010 - 05:29 PM, said:

Not familiar with the reference. Do tell.





There you go.
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I'd be happy to debate the "flaws" in the logic of my statement if you had cited any...


dont worry about pedolous. he never has any arguments. And should he have any at all, it is "troll" or random generated curse words embedded in long, nonsense sentences which can be summarized to "u idiot". Nobody should care about his "arguments" or opinon (which it is all about really).
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That sir is some crazy shit. Never saw that one.

Now that is a perfect example of a travesty.

Case #1 Raid @ meth guys house.. even with all the retardation with the warrant, and the golf club. The case could be made that the guy was involved (even if just a user himself, or harboring dealers in his home) so he was on the cops radar. He was violating a law(s) regardless if you agree with those laws. A home invasion/raid is a high tension situation (generally made more so by gung ho douchey cops). It was dark being at night etc. Not excusing their actions, just stating facts.

Case #2 Little old (slighty deaf) Wood Carver... Dude is walking down the street in broad daylight minding his own business. The knife was legal under three inches. That cop felt the need to shoot him not one or twice, but 4 times??? WTF!

Neither example makes the cops involved look intelligent or anything less than bloodthirsty. Yet the 2nd example is clearly far more heinous.

PS: Yes that is an acceptable fate for Wildstriker. Bravo
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View PostZak, on 28 December 2010 - 04:45 PM, said:

I certainly didn't imply that the cops bungled attempt at justice gets a pass cause the victim was a dirty meth user. Just pointing out that one less meth user is not something I'll lose sleep over. As far as the cops, and their mishandling of the situation... you'd have to be pretty young or live in a cave to not know that this sort of injustice happens on a regular basis in this country. It will only continue to happen more frequently as we watch our civil liberties ebb away.

I'm not saying I'll be putting flowers on the crackhead's gravestone myself. But the point stands that he was pretty much murdered and the cop isn't even getting a slap on the wrist.

And no I'm not naive enough to not know this shit happens every day. Handjobs to get out of tickets, buy offs to look the other way, etc. The problem is when it ends with a corpse with 3 holes in him that he didn't deserve. If he was considered armed and highly dangerous, with warrants for his arrest and such and records of violence, maybe a snap decision like that would've been justified. Maybe.

This was just a search warrant. officers tryin to make a drug bust. And like Keylime said, the guy happened to be holding something metallic in nature at the wrong time, and now he's dead for it. 5 seconds between entry and blam blam blam. That to me, shows that he was willing to shoot whoever got in front of him regardless of the situation. All he needed was an excuse. golfclubs = swords right?
When cops are more inclined to kill you than not, that is a problem. There have been problems for sure, but it's getting worse.
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