[phunk]

http://kotaku.com/57...al-fantasy-xiii

/sigh

[Velhart]

We need versus XIII and agito XIII before we can worry about a sequel. I don't think we need a sequel to 13, it ended itself pretty well. The most you could do is expand on Pulse and it's background. It is going to be a X-2 like situation. X didn't need a sequel, but one was made anyways, and was decent, but sometimes you need to know when to stop, and that is one of SE's flaws. They will expand on a popular game if it makes them more money. FFVII is excusable since it did leave it off at a slight cliff hanger. But making so many stories around it felt unnecessary.

I did enjoy Crisis Core though, it did answer a lot of questions, and AC did put the story to rest, until DoC came out. To be honest, DoC's story was pretty cool, always liked Vincent, but it was one of those "Why do we need it?". But now since Genesis is back, you got to make FFVII-2 now.

Ohh look at that, I am just going on and rambling to myself.

Overall, don't make unnecessary sequels. It is called "Final" Fantasy for a reason.

This post has been edited by Velhart: 13 January 2011 - 02:21 PM

[Cream Soda]

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Overall, don't make unnecessary sequels. It is called "Final" Fantasy for a reason.

It's called "Final fantasy" because that's what they wanted to name it. I think they know the reason they created something more than you do.

[Velhart]

Cream Soda, on 13 January 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

It's called "Final fantasy" because that's what they wanted to name it. I think they know the reason they created something more than you do.

Do you happen to know the reason it is called Final Fantasy?

Square was going bankrupt from is long list of games that did not sell well, so they made a last game, and since it was their last, and it was a Fantasy type game, it was called Final Fantasy. Then funny thing, it sold very well and put them back in the green. Then instead of deciding to make an actual sequel to the first FF game, they made a second one with a whole new story, characters, and world. Because the game was never meant to have a sequel, that is why each FF is completely different. A sort of ironic type trend going on with it.

Making sequels within one just kind of defeats the purpose of the irony the title is trying to convey. I am not necessarily complaining about the sequels that Square-Enix brings in, but that was not the concept Square back in the time was trying to work with. Each Final Fantasy has been able to successfully end itself pretty well, even FF7 since at the time I thought the cliffhanger was sort of a make your own ending type of thing. Making sequels and spin offs within a title feel like nothing more than trying to make as much money as they can off that title. SE needs to work on trying to make the next FF better than the last instead of trying to mooch more money off people by making simply fan service games. I want Final Fantasy XV, not Final Fantasy XIII-2 or Final Fantasy VII-2 Part 1 of 7.

I didn't make the statement acting like I know the series more than the developers of the game do, not necessarily sure how you got the message in that fashion. Not meaning to attack you personally at all.

[phunk]

Correct me if I'm wrong but was Final Fantasy XIII even that well received (outside of sales) to even warrant a sequel?

Its not exactly a fan favorite as I understand.

[Velhart]

phunk, on 13 January 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but was Final Fantasy XIII even that well received (outside of sales) to even warrant a sequel?

Its not exactly a fan favorite as I understand.

The story was actually one of the things that was highly praised. Some characters people didn't like, but the overall story was praised as soon as you got past some of the confusion with the names.

But unfortunately, companies look at sales and not reviews entirely. If a game sells well that was poorly received, there is a good chance a sequel will be made for it. What back fires most of the time is that the sequel does not sell well.

[Banter]

phunk, on 13 January 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but was Final Fantasy XIII even that well received (outside of sales) to even warrant a sequel?

Its not exactly a fan favorite as I understand.

RPG on rails is terrible.

[What?]

phunk, on 13 January 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but was Final Fantasy XIII even that well received (outside of sales) to even warrant a sequel?

I've read a few times that FFXIII had some content cut from it (too lazy to search for quotes right now) so I'm thinking this has more to do with using that + reusing FFXIII assets (character models, monsters, areas etc.) to reduce costs and get the game out faster i.e. not half a decade of dev time. Probably in an effort to please shareholders with the recent failings. But~

Velhart, on 13 January 2011 - 04:17 PM, said:

But unfortunately, companies look at sales and not reviews entirely. If a game sells well that was poorly received, there is a good chance a sequel will be made for it. What back fires most of the time is that the sequel does not sell well.

Yeah, unless they change it up and address complaints it'll flop horribly. People won't get tricked into it again after tasting FFXIII. I liked FFXIII enough to play through it 100% but I don't think I'd go back to it and there's plenty of people who just downright hate it, if FFXIII-2 isn't a huge departure in terms of gameplay no one is going to bite. There's simply not enough people who liked FFXIII enough to warrant a sequel if they keep it very similar in gameplay. Even FFX-2 changed stuff dramatically compared to FFX (which was actually well received) so if FFXIII-2 looks and plays the same as FFXIII, there'll be no words to describe what a disaster it'll be.

[Corrderio]

Velhart, on 13 January 2011 - 04:00 PM, said:

Do you happen to know the reason it is called Final Fantasy?

Square was going bankrupt from is long list of games that did not sell well, so they made a last game, and since it was their last, and it was a Fantasy type game, it was called Final Fantasy. Then funny thing, it sold very well and put them back in the green. Then instead of deciding to make an actual sequel to the first FF game, they made a second one with a whole new story, characters, and world. Because the game was never meant to have a sequel, that is why each FF is completely different. A sort of ironic type trend going on with it.

Making sequels within one just kind of defeats the purpose of the irony the title is trying to convey. I am not necessarily complaining about the sequels that Square-Enix brings in, but that was not the concept Square back in the time was trying to work with. Each Final Fantasy has been able to successfully end itself pretty well, even FF7 since at the time I thought the cliffhanger was sort of a make your own ending type of thing. Making sequels and spin offs within a title feel like nothing more than trying to make as much money as they can off that title. SE needs to work on trying to make the next FF better than the last instead of trying to mooch more money off people by making simply fan service games. I want Final Fantasy XV, not Final Fantasy XIII-2 or Final Fantasy VII-2 Part 1 of 7.

I didn't make the statement acting like I know the series more than the developers of the game do, not necessarily sure how you got the message in that fashion. Not meaning to attack you personally at all.

Actually the term Final Fantasy wasn't due to Square's financial situation back then. It was called Final Fantasy since Sakaguchi intended for it to be his final work.

[Corrderio]

Also on that note... If any FF deserves a sequel it's FF9, however unless they can get Sakaguchi and most of the original team back I don't want them to even touch it.

[Velhart]

Corrderio, on 15 January 2011 - 02:50 AM, said:

Actually the term Final Fantasy wasn't due to Square's financial situation back then. It was called Final Fantasy since Sakaguchi intended for it to be his final work.

It was his final work because the company was going down under.

[Shanvhere]

Cream Soda, on 13 January 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

It's called "Final fantasy" because that's what they wanted to name it. I think they know the reason they created something more than you do.

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Velhart, on 15 January 2011 - 09:19 AM, said:

It was his final work because the company was going down under.

gogo dvd with FFXII

i was about to replay with the story you told, thats where i learned it from

ffxII dispointed me like ffxiv, you made taru sad now

see > ;;

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[IoriYagami]

Its not much but..

[phunk]

If its the same gameplay as XIII then I'll pass.

[Varizen]

Considering the looks of things, the battle system might be similar but that's it. Cocoon has fallen, and everyone is on Pulse now. The world exploration will be more traditional. That and Lightning is no longer on the run, but is most likely a celebrated savior. She's also likely the only returning one to be playable, unless Snow, Serah, and Hope come along. I doubt Sazh will be back as he'll be taking care of Dehj, and Vanille and Fang are supporting Cocoon.

[Corrderio]

I'd rather take FF15 myself instead of another spinoff.

[Velhart]

Varizen, on 18 January 2011 - 12:05 PM, said:

Considering the looks of things, the battle system might be similar but that's it. Cocoon has fallen, and everyone is on Pulse now. The world exploration will be more traditional. That and Lightning is no longer on the run, but is most likely a celebrated savior. She's also likely the only returning one to be playable, unless Snow, Serah, and Hope come along. I doubt Sazh will be back as he'll be taking care of Dehj, and Vanille and Fang are supporting Cocoon.

I look at this the same. More than likely though, the actions of Lightning and everyone else will be controversial by people. So she will probably be love/hated by people enough to not show herself in public that much, but that is simply only a guess. If they simply learn from some past mistakes in FFXIII such as linearity and lack of picking your character till 25 hours in, then it should be good. The setting is confusing yet enticing at the same time, I am interested in what happens to the crew after the Cocoon incident.

Since this is obviously on Pulse, I will imagine that the game will be more open world. But lets hope that 2011 release date won't be a rushed one.

[What?]

dat outfit

Show gameplay at E3, release early 2012, that would do a lot to try and keep expectations from going crazy and reduce the amount of backlash if it's not received well by everyone. Apparently Wada is making teams stick to a 2 year cycle and this is the first game to come from that, which is fine by me as games in development for 5 years+ aren't showing it, I think they can do the same amount of work in 2 if they stop dicking around. Optimistic, as I always am

[Varizen]

I think Wada has learned from 2010, and is stepping things up. 5 years is to much of an investment, and is showing little return. He's also one of the better company presidents out there right now as he seems more aware of how Japan is falling behind and is working to fix it. I think he's gonna be changing some things at SE of the next 2 years though.

Meanwhile XIII-2 is a needed sequel. Very few FFs REALLY need a sequel. IV didn't need one. X I'll admit could have used one to see what happened in the years after Sin, but they just didn't execute it right. X-2 would have been excellent had it been darker and much more serious, while still having Yuna change a little bit in the direction of Tidus. The Only FFs that ever really had any loose ends to lead to a sequel were VII, X, XII, and XIII. The XII project ended up going pretty well, especially with the entire Ivalice Alliance series of XII, Revenant Wings, and Tactics A-2.