[hot potatoe]

hi guys, i have recently come back, and now i have a lot to work on with my blu. i gotta get all the new spells that have been released untill now, so i would love to know what are the setups the ppl use for all the BLU modes nowadays, this involves, the classical BLU/NIN and the nuking BLU setup as well. thx for your help

[Torak]

for nin meleeing i go with the following:( 5/5 points merited btw)
winds of promy + actinic burst ( auto fresh)
animated wail
battery chrarge
disseverment + vanity dive for acc bonus
goblin rush+ benthic typhoon for skillchain bonus
quad. continuum
acrid stream + empty thrash for double attack
delta thrust
plenilune embrace

and depending on points i rotate in metallic body, magic barrier or cocoon. or if you wantto drop one of the above traits( accmost likely) you can put in occulation for some quick cast blink.

as for nuking charged whisker, thermal pulse and everyone's grudge as main damage spells the rest is more or less the same ( memento mori etc)

This post has been edited by Torak: 17 January 2011 - 01:02 PM

[hot potatoe]

thanks bro thats pretty enlightenening, though i would like to know exactly wha tu use for nuling when u equip grudge, whisker and the fire spell, cause i was told that normally its better to just equip a single nuking spell and use the rest of the slots to equip spells which can boost the main nuking spell stat

[mightyg]

Generally all you'd want beyond the nuking spells would be the magic attack bonus combo. You can try to stack more int and mnd, but you're not going to see a huge difference. The things that will make a significant impact on damage will be gear and abyssea atmas. You'll probably want to get to work on af3 hands and feet for nuking if that suits you.

Just some other thoughts, sometimes I ditch benthic typhoon and goblin rush for other spells like auroral drape + sub zero smash for fast cast and occululation. Delta Thrusts damage isn't great, but it's very efficient for soloing outside abyssea, very cheap mp cost, and the -10 tp plague effect will usually stick on most non nm.

This post has been edited by mightyg: 17 January 2011 - 02:30 PM

[Torak]

the reason i like typhoon is the def/mdef effect, i always use this then follow up with a savage blade> quad.cont or goblin rush for distortion or light and with sc bonus just squeezes out that little bit more dmg. as for nuking mightyg got it spot on.

[rambus]

what area? i don't use auto refresh in abyssea.

really no need for it, makes room for more SC flexibility and have prime DD spells while having room to change out proc spells.

I also been going /dnc there because i can get regain for cure support while waiting for procs, out of party cures and so on, so i ditch quiping acc bonus.

I like setting double attack, MaB ( for TE farming/ occasional nuking, using VV, milkin, and ultamate I can nuke flawlessly in my melee swords still)

1-2k AoE is nothing to laugh at wile still having the ability to do melee based damage.

BLU is much more versatile then before when you combie it with gear and atma in abyssea, you have to shift spell lists to outfit what your doing.

Pime spells i use there:
sound blast
curesd sphere
(mab)
charged whisker ( aoe farming, NM attacker when tp gain on mob is issue, or wanto t nuke form afair)
delta thrust ( plauge effect and damage/mp ratio)

Empty thrash
acrid stream
(double attack)

Thermal pluse
charged whisker
Nuking spells

Quad. continuum
goblin rush
benthic typhoon
zerg phy spells/ sc verisitly

whirl of rage
(helps with aoe farming with the added stun, and 2 str and 2 dex is nice for 2 points)


cocoon
headbutt
plenulune embrace
battery charge
Occulation
(servivitbily)

when you are doing mass aoe TE farming 3 shaddows dont help much so having the extra cures from dnc i find helpful

with aoe farming i start with a whisker then whirl of rage while that war is poping fell cleave. I been at 100 hp before where that cure V w/e and that dnc cure to help it saves me.

this leves me with 45/55 points and thats enough room to freely change in and out proc spells or extra nuking spell like leafstorm.
I used leafstorm before getting thermal pulse today while farming, its not too bad of a spell ether, about 1k per mob.

atma i use:
http://wiki.ffxiclop...oracious_Violet
http://wiki.ffxiclop...of_the_Ultimate
http://wiki.ffxiclop...kin_Monstrosity

this is for my blu/dnc setup in abyssea where i can add on Naing myself though dnace moves, adding haste and its own skillchain bonus, accuracy bonus and dual wield II

This post has been edited by rambus: 18 January 2011 - 03:35 AM

[hot potatoe]

wouldnt it be a better idea to use expiacion followed by another typhoon?? u know that the single hit spells get a better dmg boost from the BLU jas, and so the resulting SC in this case darkness would do a lot of dmg, probably more than the distortion created by using savage blad eand quad. continuum on mob which has been weakened by typhoon

[hot potatoe]

i have never tried the aoe nuke mode as u say, whenever i wanted to nuke i always subbed BLM in order to get a higher MAB trait and so, to have more free slots for my spells. when it came to equip nuking spells, i always used memento mori, and then my single overpowered nuking spell like eyes on me, firespit or mind blind followed by a huge list of stat modifying spells that could boost my nuking spell. Thats the way i nuke, i dont know if its an efficient way of doing so, or if i should try to nuke in a different way, thats why i wanted some info from u. Regarding my nuking spell gear, i gotta say that i always use the mahatma gear since it gives a lot of INT CHR and MND, which are the base stats that modify the strongest nuking spells we have.
If u guys could gimme some advice on how i could improve my nuking performance with my blu i would appreciate it. Oh and i would also find it awesome if u could enlighten me with some info about the best situations in which it would be better to nuke or use the physical zerging mode.

[rambus]

hot potatoe, on 20 January 2011 - 05:20 AM, said:

i have never tried the aoe nuke mode as u say, whenever i wanted to nuke i always subbed BLM in order to get a higher MAB trait and so, to have more free slots for my spells. when it came to equip nuking spells, i always used memento mori, and then my single overpowered nuking spell like eyes on me, firespit or mind blind followed by a huge list of stat modifying spells that could boost my nuking spell. Thats the way i nuke, i dont know if its an efficient way of doing so, or if i should try to nuke in a different way, thats why i wanted some info from u. Regarding my nuking spell gear, i gotta say that i always use the mahatma gear since it gives a lot of INT CHR and MND, which are the base stats that modify the strongest nuking spells we have.
If u guys could gimme some advice on how i could improve my nuking performance with my blu i would appreciate it. Oh and i would also find it awesome if u could enlighten me with some info about the best situations in which it would be better to nuke or use the physical zerging mode.

MaB I and MAB II is 4 mab /blm kinda died at 80 since /rdm gets mab II anyway
worring abotu 4 mab is purly for e-peen this point, in abyssea when you get an atma like the http://wiki.ffxiclop...of_the_Ultimate it makes magic acc ( lol ES) and damage a joke ( so i dont care aobtu that 4 mab or 4 int)

like i said 1-2k damage with melee swords is nothing to be lauthed at, abyssea is common to aoe TE farm in some zones. even if you are not aoeing im sure charged wisker is still more damage.

typhoon is not steller damage compred to quad or gob rush. i only do that sc for the sc if people want to mb. I just like to set it because I want that flexibility even if i dont use it a lot.

and with the atma boosts salavge blade/[vopel ( if raized ruin)] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. expiacion

you really need to be spific for what you are talking about, inside abyssea and outside are way different. I would prob not be /dnc, use acc bonus and auto if i wasn't there.

damage pics for the above setup (blu/dnc) with those atma:


figure ill say this for people that dont know, this mob died from just the damage of the savage blade (1k-1.3k) and that quad spell. when mobs die from a ws alone ( or this case a blue sc) the sc damage/ effect it self does not happen.




again all of that is done with this:

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1-2k AoE is nothing to laugh at wile still having the ability to do melee based damage.

BLU is much more versatile then before when you combie it with gear and atma in abyssea, you have to shift spell lists to outfit what your doing.

Pime spells i use there:
sound blast
curesd sphere
(mab)
charged whisker ( aoe farming, NM attacker when tp gain on mob is issue, or wanto t nuke form afair)
delta thrust ( plauge effect and damage/mp ratio)

Empty thrash
acrid stream
(double attack)

Thermal pluse
charged whisker
Nuking spells

Quad. continuum
goblin rush
benthic typhoon
zerg phy spells/ sc verisitly

whirl of rage
(helps with aoe farming with the added stun, and 2 str and 2 dex is nice for 2 points)


cocoon
headbutt
plenulune embrace
battery charge
Occulation
(servivitbily)

when you are doing mass aoe TE farming 3 shaddows dont help much so having the extra cures from dnc i find helpful

with aoe farming i start with a whisker then whirl of rage while that war is poping fell cleave. I been at 100 hp before where that cure V w/e and that dnc cure to help it saves me.

this leves me with 45/55 points and thats enough room to freely change in and out proc spells or extra nuking spell like leafstorm.
I used leafstorm before getting thermal pulse today while farming, its not too bad of a spell ether, about 1k per mob.

atma i use:
http://wiki.ffxiclop...oracious_Violet
http://wiki.ffxiclop...of_the_Ultimate
http://wiki.ffxiclop...kin_Monstrosity

I listed nuking spells twice, oh well><

my setup is not made to be top damage in phy or magic, its made to do both, cure my self, cure others even out of pt with /dnc when needed, and get triggers. with that point i still think that is good damage for being able to do that

its hard to answer your questions because:
1. you need to par up your spell list with the atma
2. are you the sole giver of blue mage based triggers
3. are you even talking aobut in abyssea?

This post has been edited by rambus: 20 January 2011 - 11:06 AM

[rambus]

double

This post has been edited by rambus: 20 January 2011 - 06:35 AM

[hot potatoe]

yeah i was talking about abyssea, what else xD, nobody does anything else outside of it.
Normally when i go blu/nin i use RR and MM, and then i set up the classical multi hit spells, disseverment, frenetic rip, hysteric barrage, as main dmg sources, and then i use some buffs to speed the dmg up, like refueling , and triumphant roar, followed by the auto refresh combo with actinic burst and the shock spikes spell. I learnt quad. continuum. yesterday, but i cant understand how u almost reached 5k with it, i buffed the spell up with efflux and chain affinity, and it only did 2k...
As for my nuking setup, i wrote it before, i normally equip atma of the ultimate and MM, then i use all the mahatma stuff i have on to boost my stats as much as i can. My nuking spell list is formed by the only single nuking spell im gonna use, which can be eyes on me, mind blast or fire spit, and the rest is a bunch of random spells which can enhance the potency of my main nuking spell + memento mori.
I hope this info answers your questions

[rambus]

hot potatoe, on 20 January 2011 - 06:25 PM, said:

yeah i was talking about abyssea, what else xD, nobody does anything else outside of it.
Normally when i go blu/nin i use RR and MM, and then i set up the classical multi hit spells, disseverment, frenetic rip, hysteric barrage, as main dmg sources, and then i use some buffs to speed the dmg up, like refueling , and triumphant roar, followed by the auto refresh combo with actinic burst and the shock spikes spell. I learnt quad. continuum. yesterday, but i cant understand how u almost reached 5k with it, i buffed the spell up with efflux and chain affinity, and it only did 2k...
As for my nuking setup, i wrote it before, i normally equip atma of the ultimate and MM, then i use all the mahatma stuff i have on to boost my stats as much as i can. My nuking spell list is formed by the only single nuking spell im gonna use, which can be eyes on me, mind blast or fire spit, and the rest is a bunch of random spells which can enhance the potency of my main nuking spell + memento mori.
I hope this info answers your questions

um didn't hysteric barrage always suck?

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DescriptionEdit Description sectionEdit

Spell cost: 91 MP
Monster Type: Empty
Spell Type: Physical (Piercing)
Blue Magic Points: 4
Stat Bonus: DEX+3 CHR-2

gob rush, quad, and a 3rd heavy hitter should be enough damage to down a common mob while you thow in light damage spells like delta thurst between then. and remember im doing this as /dnc, not nin so i have no idea why you find the need to have that meny.

you dont need all of that, and depending the syle of downing NMs you do not want ot be always spamming on it.

you can replace fren rip with van dive for the acc bonus and the fact it is one hit for less tp on the mob.

i dont know why you are using those old nuking spells, how does it compare to what I SS? (remember i am not using staff or any magic booting damage in weapon slot)

the only point im making is i already do enough damage in one style and im needed on trigger so i equip my self where i can do a bit of everything.

I guess my question is, why are you sticking with such old spells when there is revelent upgrades at hand.

This post has been edited by rambus: 21 January 2011 - 12:21 AM

[Aeonknight]

I'm gonna have to go with what banter said in the other thread.

At no point in time should you ever not be using Razed Ruins. It pumps our dmg up so much it's ridiculous. I see those screenies rambus, but I also know in the back of my head that all abyssea mobs start off as DC mobs, so it's really easy to inflate your #'s for screenshot purposes....

Sorry I'm not quite convinced. If your setup works for you, then anything I say isn't going to convince you otherwise anyway. As for me, I'll take VV/RR/GR.

[Kaslo]

*for physical casting/meleeing

[Aeonknight]

what Kas said lol

[hot potatoe]

im using the old nukes cause i havent lernt the new ones yet, im trying to finish the new blu spell list, once i get them, il set my DD list in the way the blus set it now. Though i dont know if mixing both, nuking and multi hit spell modes is good for a BLU, cause as far as i know, doing so, doesnt give u all the traits u need for each of the modes, which at the ends lowers your average damage input.

[rambus]

Aeonknight, on 21 January 2011 - 02:39 PM, said:

I'm gonna have to go with what banter said in the other thread.

At no point in time should you ever not be using Razed Ruins. It pumps our dmg up so much it's ridiculous. I see those screenies rambus, but I also know in the back of my head that all abyssea mobs start off as DC mobs, so it's really easy to inflate your #'s for screenshot purposes....

Sorry I'm not quite convinced. If your setup works for you, then anything I say isn't going to convince you otherwise anyway. As for me, I'll take VV/RR/GR.

one was a magic nuke vs a nm, i really dont know abyssea, levels and such i was just offering my set since like i said before I am blu for proc mainly so i need some sort of regain to make sure i can do club and sword, something where i can have tp from running around so much. that on top of waiting aoe farming ready because we aoe farm for TE so nice to help with that.

i even said before it may not give me epeen but its enough damage to be relvenet for each type and ready to cure and change out proc spells without messing with my base setup.

I get told what i need to do and i find the best way to do it without caring about detals like omg this mob may been d/c or w/e.

though i do have question, raised ruin says crt, crt damage + and dex + so dont that really applay to vanady dive and such?

and im sure my mavi tayt+1 would add a bit more damage.

for new spells the only one that may be a bit diffult to get is reaving wind, and i got it solo andi think delta thurst helped

This post has been edited by rambus: 27 January 2011 - 10:08 AM

[hot potatoe]

when you guys nuke in abyssea, do u bother changing your gear like we used to do outside??? im asking this cause since everybody use the mab atmas i was wondering if it is really necessary to equip the blu with stat modifying gear for the magical spells.

[Banter]

hot potatoe, on 28 January 2011 - 01:05 AM, said:

when you guys nuke in abyssea, do u bother changing your gear like we used to do outside??? im asking this cause since everybody use the mab atmas i was wondering if it is really necessary to equip the blu with stat modifying gear for the magical spells.

Do you stop swapping gear for WS because of Abyssea? Do you not use TP gear because of Abyssea? Are you retarded?!

[hot potatoe]

Banter, on 28 January 2011 - 01:20 AM, said:

Do you stop swapping gear for WS because of Abyssea? Do you not use TP gear because of Abyssea? Are you retarded?!

excuse me dude, ill remind you that you and the rest of us are in a forum, hence, we are supossed to be polite people and do our best to answer the rest of the ppl questions, so watch your words, cause no one here has insulted you, got it banter?