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When you take out a storage slip you get this message:
"Warning! If you loose your moogle stroage slip while storing a corresponding item, you will be forever unable to retrieve that item!"
you can' toss the slip so this is how i read it:
Warning! if you disconnect or have some complication while storing an item, you will lose that item.
any idea what SE really means with this message?
Moogle storage slip unsafe?
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Posted 18 January 2011 - 03:46 AM
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#2
Posted 18 January 2011 - 05:09 AM
Why cant you toss it? never heard of an item you can't throw away
#3
Posted 18 January 2011 - 05:36 AM
Cahlum!, on 18 January 2011 - 05:09 AM, said:
Why cant you toss it? never heard of an item you can't throw away
if you have something stored the game just does not let you( you get "that command cannot be processed"), you can toss it if you have nothing stored.
I did experiment on a gear i didn't really care about because of that message trying to figure out what it means.
This post has been edited by rambus: 18 January 2011 - 05:39 AM
#4
Posted 19 January 2011 - 01:20 PM
rambus, on 18 January 2011 - 03:46 AM, said:
When you take out a storage slip you get this message:
"Warning! If you loose your moogle stroage slip while storing a corresponding item, you will be forever unable to retrieve that item!"
you can' toss the slip so this is how i read it:
Warning! if you disconnect or have some complication while storing an item, you will lose that item.
any idea what SE really means with this message?
"Warning! If you loose your moogle stroage slip while storing a corresponding item, you will be forever unable to retrieve that item!"
you can' toss the slip so this is how i read it:
Warning! if you disconnect or have some complication while storing an item, you will lose that item.
any idea what SE really means with this message?
Unless I'm missing something I'm not sure what you're getting at "what SE really means". The messages are pretty self explanatory.
"Warning! If you loose your moogle stroage slip while storing a corresponding item, you will be forever unable to retrieve that item!"
If you loose the slip, everything you have stored on it will also be gone.
"Warning! if you disconnect or have some complication while storing an item, you will lose that item."
If you're DC'ing while trading the server isn't going to acknowledge that the trade was made, the item will be lost if you happen to disconnect.
#5
Posted 19 January 2011 - 01:25 PM
how do you loose it? how is it self explanatory if you cant loose it unless its though a game error? ( you cant toss it so how is it lost?)
how do you loose it while trading it? it makes no sense to me.
how do you loose it while trading it? it makes no sense to me.
This post has been edited by rambus: 19 January 2011 - 01:30 PM
#6
Posted 19 January 2011 - 02:31 PM
Because this is an online game and disconnections can happen? The old AF storage NPCs gave you a specific slip when you traded in a full set. These slips from what I'm reading allow you to store many different pieces on one slip.
Trade in 5/5 BLM AF pieces -> You receive BLM claim slip
BLM slip: 1/1
1/* meaning you traded in the only possibility for that slip which is 5/5 BLM AF, no more and no less and */1 meaning that's the maximum number of outputs that slip can give you, a full set of BLM AF and nothing else.
Trade in 3 pieces of Ares gear, 4 pieces of Marduk's, 3 Perdu weapons and 1 ring all into Moogle slip 01 -> You receive Moogle slip 01
Moogle slip: 11/172
This is more complicated than storing AF. There are more possibilities you're allowed to trade in gear for the exact same slip. The game however needs to remember what you have stored, it can be many different combinations instead of just 1 like with AF. The slip you receive has to have the pieces you've stored written somewhere on it so it can read later and figure out what to give you. AF storage didn't need to write anything down, you could not possibly store 4/5 pieces of AF and it couldn't give you back anything less than 5 pieces either. This is why the moogle slip knows when you don't have anything stored (allowing you to toss it) and when it does (won't allow you)
When you trade in stuff the game needs to know what you traded it and then give you a slip with the information written into it. It takes time. During that time if you disconnect, you will lose the gear. This is not shitty programming. As long as you don't disconnect during the x number of miliseconds the game is writting onto the slip what you have stored and not stored you are fine.
Trade in 5/5 BLM AF pieces -> You receive BLM claim slip
BLM slip: 1/1
1/* meaning you traded in the only possibility for that slip which is 5/5 BLM AF, no more and no less and */1 meaning that's the maximum number of outputs that slip can give you, a full set of BLM AF and nothing else.
Trade in 3 pieces of Ares gear, 4 pieces of Marduk's, 3 Perdu weapons and 1 ring all into Moogle slip 01 -> You receive Moogle slip 01
Moogle slip: 11/172
This is more complicated than storing AF. There are more possibilities you're allowed to trade in gear for the exact same slip. The game however needs to remember what you have stored, it can be many different combinations instead of just 1 like with AF. The slip you receive has to have the pieces you've stored written somewhere on it so it can read later and figure out what to give you. AF storage didn't need to write anything down, you could not possibly store 4/5 pieces of AF and it couldn't give you back anything less than 5 pieces either. This is why the moogle slip knows when you don't have anything stored (allowing you to toss it) and when it does (won't allow you)
When you trade in stuff the game needs to know what you traded it and then give you a slip with the information written into it. It takes time. During that time if you disconnect, you will lose the gear. This is not shitty programming. As long as you don't disconnect during the x number of miliseconds the game is writting onto the slip what you have stored and not stored you are fine.
This post has been edited by What?: 19 January 2011 - 04:42 PM
#7
Posted 20 January 2011 - 12:02 AM
is that what it means then? you can loose the gear while trading it if you disconnect?
has anyone lost gear by these things yet?
has anyone lost gear by these things yet?
This post has been edited by rambus: 20 January 2011 - 12:02 AM
#8
Posted 20 January 2011 - 02:18 PM
Caution Concerning Use of"Moogle Storage Slip" said:
Recently, players have contacted us concerning an issue where storing an item with a Porter Moogle NPC while Trial of the Magians was in progress prevented further progress in the trial.
As noted in the FINAL FANTASY XI Version Update (Dec. 6), storing an item with a Porter Moogle NPC while Trial of the Magians is in progress will result in all trial insignias being erased from that item, requiring cancellation and restarting of the trial. Furthermore all items placed in the Delivery Crate up to that point will be lost.
Any items required for quest completion lost in this way cannot be restored by GM support, so we ask that you please take sufficient caution when using a "Moogle Storage Slip."
We are currently working on implementing changes to prevent such incidences from occurring in the next version update. Once the updates are implemented, players should no longer be able to store items with trial insignias using the "Moogle Storage Slip."
As noted in the FINAL FANTASY XI Version Update (Dec. 6), storing an item with a Porter Moogle NPC while Trial of the Magians is in progress will result in all trial insignias being erased from that item, requiring cancellation and restarting of the trial. Furthermore all items placed in the Delivery Crate up to that point will be lost.
Any items required for quest completion lost in this way cannot be restored by GM support, so we ask that you please take sufficient caution when using a "Moogle Storage Slip."
We are currently working on implementing changes to prevent such incidences from occurring in the next version update. Once the updates are implemented, players should no longer be able to store items with trial insignias using the "Moogle Storage Slip."
#9
Posted 20 January 2011 - 07:01 PM
so what does the message mean about lost items?
I know about the errors that can happen with on progress with magain trials, its the same thing with any store item
I know about the errors that can happen with on progress with magain trials, its the same thing with any store item
#10
Posted 20 January 2011 - 10:13 PM
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#11
Posted 23 January 2011 - 10:48 AM
Let's see if I can explain this better.
I know you have a hard time understanding the obvious English that if you lose the Slip in any manner-- disconnection, hacked and dropped, accidentally dropped or Moogle ate my Slip and won't barf it out-- you cannot obtain those items stored on that Slip ever again.
Basically my understanding of how it works and probably why you'd lose it is this: (Now, I could be wrong and this could be all just some fantastical theory.)
Let's say you pull out a brand spanking new Storage Slip from the Moogle Porter.
*/insert Tarutaru /dance emote here*
*/think... '... lost in thought.'*
*/hugs storage space... 'My precious.'*
*/does-famous-Home-Alone-expression... 'Ohnoes!'*
*/lots 14... 'Fucker beat my 14 lot!'*
So, you check log who won it and you see this line: "You dropped a Storage Slip #01."
*/tarutaru panic*
Square-Enix Server Bismarck locates your account folder, then character file and finally finds the database table for "Bismarck_Aselin_StorageSlip01_01" and promptly deletes the unique MD5 identifier for that Slip--605265ba6e89aeae037b1f8b3388f943.
*/goodbye 605265ba6e89aeae037b1f8b3388f943*
*/cry... /slap.... /fume.... /show-Moogle-Porter-the-bird*
Regardless, learning from your mistake, you decide to purchase another Storage Slip #01 and store it safely in your Mog Locker.
Server creates another database entry but this time for "Bismarck_Aselin_StorageSlip01_02" with another unique MD5 identifier-- d2c1d6e194a5a40edf4e001e9a21a77c. This time "_02" refers to the second Storage Slip #01.
*/hugs d2c1d6e194a5a40edf4e001e9a21a77c... 'I won't drop you ever, ever again.'*
*/think... '... lost in thought.'*
Hopefully, that explains things better.
Square-Enix is basically saying in layman's terms:
I know you have a hard time understanding the obvious English that if you lose the Slip in any manner-- disconnection, hacked and dropped, accidentally dropped or Moogle ate my Slip and won't barf it out-- you cannot obtain those items stored on that Slip ever again.
Basically my understanding of how it works and probably why you'd lose it is this: (Now, I could be wrong and this could be all just some fantastical theory.)
Let's say you pull out a brand spanking new Storage Slip from the Moogle Porter.
*/insert Tarutaru /dance emote here*
Now, the server takes that Slip and names it "Bismarck_Aselin_StorageSlip01_01" with _01 being the first of Storage Slip #01. This is stored onto your character file in a database table and creates a unique MD5 signature-- 605265ba6e89aeae037b1f8b3388f943.
*/think... '... lost in thought.'*
You begin dropping items into it and freeing up much precious inventory space. Every item you can store into Storage Slip #01 is now linked to that unique signature.
Spoiler
*/hugs storage space... 'My precious.'*
Ok, sometime later, you're in some Abyssea EXP party and you are getting crap auto-dropped to your inventory and all of a sudden an AF3 base feet appears in log. You check Inventory and see you are 80/80.
*/does-famous-Home-Alone-expression... 'Ohnoes!'*
You begin dropping items in a hurry so you can lot on it...
*/lots 14... 'Fucker beat my 14 lot!'*
So, you check log who won it and you see this line: "You dropped a Storage Slip #01."
*/tarutaru panic*
Square-Enix Server Bismarck locates your account folder, then character file and finally finds the database table for "Bismarck_Aselin_StorageSlip01_01" and promptly deletes the unique MD5 identifier for that Slip--605265ba6e89aeae037b1f8b3388f943.
*/goodbye 605265ba6e89aeae037b1f8b3388f943*
You just realized you dropped 4 years worth of items that could be stored in Slip #01 and return to the Moogle Porter. You ask the Moogle Porter where your items are now.
He replies, "I'm sorry they're all gone, kupo. The great and magnificent Kupofried has taken them to the Moogle world's Auction House since we can bid on and sell Rare-Ex items there unlike in your Vana'diel."
You beg and plead for him to return them and he just replies in a robotic voice, "Your calls will be answered in the order they were received. If you cannot reach us today, please call back another time at 1-858-790-7529."
He replies, "I'm sorry they're all gone, kupo. The great and magnificent Kupofried has taken them to the Moogle world's Auction House since we can bid on and sell Rare-Ex items there unlike in your Vana'diel."
You beg and plead for him to return them and he just replies in a robotic voice, "Your calls will be answered in the order they were received. If you cannot reach us today, please call back another time at 1-858-790-7529."
*/cry... /slap.... /fume.... /show-Moogle-Porter-the-bird*
Regardless, learning from your mistake, you decide to purchase another Storage Slip #01 and store it safely in your Mog Locker.
Server creates another database entry but this time for "Bismarck_Aselin_StorageSlip01_02" with another unique MD5 identifier-- d2c1d6e194a5a40edf4e001e9a21a77c. This time "_02" refers to the second Storage Slip #01.
*/hugs d2c1d6e194a5a40edf4e001e9a21a77c... 'I won't drop you ever, ever again.'*
In the end... 605265ba6e89aeae037b1f8b3388f943 =/= d2c1d6e194a5a40edf4e001e9a21a77c. Two different signatures, two different Moogle Storage Slips. Any item stored in the first Slip #01 is now gone because they are no longer associated with that unique identifier. Any new item you store now is identified with a new signature. Understood?
*/think... '... lost in thought.'*
All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead or hacked and deleted, is purely coincidental.
Hopefully, that explains things better.
Square-Enix is basically saying in layman's terms:
"Dear valuable customer,
We have listened to your pleas for more storage space and for some way to store your much valuable belongings you have obtained during the time you sacrificed and paid for in the last six or seven years playing Final Fantasy XI. Therefore, we have introduced to the Final Fantasy XI community the Moogle Storage Slip system! Here you can store any Rare-Ex items you have obtained safely and securely. Each Storage Slip can only store specific items varying from armors to weapons.
However, we have a few things to warn you about:
You may be asking why we implemented it in such a manner is because of this one simple fact: So you can spend another six or seven years paying us monthly on re-obtaining those items AGAIN!
(*/inserts maniacal Corporate laugh here in Mr. Burns' voice*)
Thank you,
The ever infallible Square-Enix.
Disclaimer
We have listened to your pleas for more storage space and for some way to store your much valuable belongings you have obtained during the time you sacrificed and paid for in the last six or seven years playing Final Fantasy XI. Therefore, we have introduced to the Final Fantasy XI community the Moogle Storage Slip system! Here you can store any Rare-Ex items you have obtained safely and securely. Each Storage Slip can only store specific items varying from armors to weapons.
However, we have a few things to warn you about:
- This was created in the last minute of development time so those developers can be made available to fix Final Fantasy XIV.
- We are using an archaic way to store these items which isn't very intuitive at all and that at any time can be lost if something idiotic were to happen to it.
- And, if you happen to lose those Storage Slips in any manner, the GM will not grant you a chance to retrieve them and you will forever lose those items.
- We are using an archaic way to store these items which isn't very intuitive at all and that at any time can be lost if something idiotic were to happen to it.
- And, if you happen to lose those Storage Slips in any manner, the GM will not grant you a chance to retrieve them and you will forever lose those items.
You may be asking why we implemented it in such a manner is because of this one simple fact: So you can spend another six or seven years paying us monthly on re-obtaining those items AGAIN!
(*/inserts maniacal Corporate laugh here in Mr. Burns' voice*)
Thank you,
The ever infallible Square-Enix.
Disclaimer
We are not responsible for any items you lose that was stored in the Storage Slip. Those Slips are your responsibility and your responsibility alone. Thank you for paying us monthly to use our failed implementations at solving problems."
#12
Posted 23 January 2011 - 03:36 PM
octoberasian, on 23 January 2011 - 10:48 AM, said:
Let's see if I can explain this better.
I know you have a hard time understanding the obvious English that if you lose the Slip in any manner-- disconnection, hacked and dropped, accidentally dropped or Moogle ate my Slip and won't barf it out-- you cannot obtain those items stored on that Slip ever again.
Basically my understanding of how it works and probably why you'd lose it is this: (Now, I could be wrong and this could be all just some fantastical theory.)
Let's say you pull out a brand spanking new Storage Slip from the Moogle Porter.
*/insert Tarutaru /dance emote here*
*/think... '... lost in thought.'*
*/hugs storage space... 'My precious.'*
*/does-famous-Home-Alone-expression... 'Ohnoes!'*
*/lots 14... 'Fucker beat my 14 lot!'*
So, you check log who won it and you see this line: "You dropped a Storage Slip #01."
*/tarutaru panic*
[indent]
I know you have a hard time understanding the obvious English that if you lose the Slip in any manner-- disconnection, hacked and dropped, accidentally dropped or Moogle ate my Slip and won't barf it out-- you cannot obtain those items stored on that Slip ever again.
Basically my understanding of how it works and probably why you'd lose it is this: (Now, I could be wrong and this could be all just some fantastical theory.)
Let's say you pull out a brand spanking new Storage Slip from the Moogle Porter.
*/insert Tarutaru /dance emote here*
Now, the server takes that Slip and names it "Bismarck_Aselin_StorageSlip01_01" with _01 being the first of Storage Slip #01. This is stored onto your character file in a database table and creates a unique MD5 signature-- 605265ba6e89aeae037b1f8b3388f943.
*/think... '... lost in thought.'*
You begin dropping items into it and freeing up much precious inventory space. Every item you can store into Storage Slip #01 is now linked to that unique signature.
Spoiler
*/hugs storage space... 'My precious.'*
Ok, sometime later, you're in some Abyssea EXP party and you are getting crap auto-dropped to your inventory and all of a sudden an AF3 base feet appears in log. You check Inventory and see you are 80/80.
*/does-famous-Home-Alone-expression... 'Ohnoes!'*
You begin dropping items in a hurry so you can lot on it...
*/lots 14... 'Fucker beat my 14 lot!'*
So, you check log who won it and you see this line: "You dropped a Storage Slip #01."
*/tarutaru panic*
[indent]
I stoped reading here becuase the GAME does NOT let you drop it if there is something stored, thats why i do not understand the message. I tried that already in experment trying to get the meaning of the message. you can olny drop the slips if nothing is stored.
This post has been edited by rambus: 23 January 2011 - 03:37 PM
#13
Posted 23 January 2011 - 06:48 PM
"Hi, I'm Rambus. I'm fucking retarded and cannot grasp simple things, but I will parrot equations figured out by far more coherent people in an attempt to appear knowledgeable. Basic English confuses the hell out of me in spite of it being my native tongue. Stop trying to assist me, it is an exercise in futility. Canines learn calculus more readily."
#14
Posted 24 January 2011 - 12:02 PM
pathwriter, on 23 January 2011 - 06:48 PM, said:
"Hi, I'm Rambus. I'm fucking retarded and cannot grasp simple things, but I will parrot equations figured out by far more coherent people in an attempt to appear knowledgeable. Basic English confuses the hell out of me in spite of it being my native tongue. Stop trying to assist me, it is an exercise in futility. Canines learn calculus more readily."
how can you tell me to read when i satated meny times YOU CANNOT TOSS THE SLIPS so HOW do they GET LOST? and that is why i dont understand the message
NO ONE EXPLAINED that yet.
do you still play? are you like the first person that posted that assumed you can toss them because everyhitng else can be tossed?
YOU CANNOT TOSS THE SLIPS the game does not let you
the only way you can toss a slip if there is nothing stored on it
maybe i can try explaining like this.
rambus gets moogle storage slip 4
rambus trades moogle slip 4 and black mage feet
rambus goes to toss the moogle slip 4 but sees the message:
"that request cannot be processed"
rambus trades the moogle slip 4 to the moogle and takes his black mage feet out
rambus goes to toss the moogle slip 4
rambus tosses the moogle slip 4 (because nothing is storaged)
rambus wonders what this message means since usually SE talk "lost" = "tossed", ask friends gets i dont know if you cant toss it, posts on KI even though he did not want to because he was sure to meet people that would flame him like pathwriter but it would be worth it if he could get an aswer
This post has been edited by rambus: 24 January 2011 - 12:28 PM
#15
Posted 24 January 2011 - 03:13 PM
Ever play connect the dots rambus? You're obviously aware that you can't toss them. But if through some glitch or freak accident that you somehow lose them (could be d/c'ing while trading one in, looking at a GM the wrong way, whatever. doesn't mattter), then the gear is gone. Period. end of story. Shit out of luck.
SE is implying with that statement that even though it shouldn't happen, if it does by some off chance, they're not fixing it.
SE is implying with that statement that even though it shouldn't happen, if it does by some off chance, they're not fixing it.
#16
Posted 25 January 2011 - 02:34 PM
I'd love to submit Rambus to some form of twisted pavlovian experiment that caused his body to spasm uncontrollably each time he looked at KI.
#17
Posted 25 January 2011 - 02:46 PM
Aeonknight, on 24 January 2011 - 03:13 PM, said:
Ever play connect the dots rambus? You're obviously aware that you can't toss them. But if through some glitch or freak accident that you somehow lose them (could be d/c'ing while trading one in, looking at a GM the wrong way, whatever. doesn't mattter), then the gear is gone. Period. end of story. Shit out of luck.
SE is implying with that statement that even though it shouldn't happen, if it does by some off chance, they're not fixing it.
SE is implying with that statement that even though it shouldn't happen, if it does by some off chance, they're not fixing it.
if that is the case why impenitent a system that you cannot back up?
And how can you be sure they can be lost though d/c? I want to know what SE means in how they can be lost.
since SE is really bent on zero reimbursement in any form (even if SE is at 100% fault even on simple stuff like billing) it would be nice to KNOW HOW TO PREVENT THE SITUATION that would make them get lost.
I also want to knwo if anyone lost anything TO BACK up any theorys presented.
This post has been edited by rambus: 25 January 2011 - 02:48 PM
#18
Posted 25 January 2011 - 04:10 PM
Holy shit, why do you care? Your ability to latch onto irrelevant things that normal people can immediately assess and safely disregard is stunning. If a tornado was bearing down on you, everyone else would be ignoring the question of whether or not tornado insurance would have been a prudent investment 5 years ago because they'd be focusing on far more important things.
#19
Posted 25 January 2011 - 05:28 PM
So, what if a person manages to toss the un-tossable? Would they be at liberty to request anything listed on that slip of paper?
Like say, for example, that 'person' stuck on 5 pieces of salavge parts and got the message "Your 5 items are safe with me!". Then, instead of requesting 5 commonly dropped lv.15/25/35s, they asked for a full Ares set?
Since the slip is destroyed and the moogle didn't point out every item in the chatlog, the statement cannot be verified.
A similar example would be to drop a bonanza marble and request a marble with the 1st place numbers on it, after the numbers were announced.
Like say, for example, that 'person' stuck on 5 pieces of salavge parts and got the message "Your 5 items are safe with me!". Then, instead of requesting 5 commonly dropped lv.15/25/35s, they asked for a full Ares set?
Since the slip is destroyed and the moogle didn't point out every item in the chatlog, the statement cannot be verified.
A similar example would be to drop a bonanza marble and request a marble with the 1st place numbers on it, after the numbers were announced.
#20
Posted 25 January 2011 - 08:26 PM
Rambus you got some worthless gear on you, right? Trade it in and during the process, cut off your internet and see what happens to said worthless rabbit belt or some such?
I can't do it myself, since my account is temp shut down. I'll be back in Feb. though.
I can't do it myself, since my account is temp shut down. I'll be back in Feb. though.
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