[CerGoltana]

Banter, on 16 February 2011 - 01:26 AM, said:

Hey, how can you bitch about people being elitist jerks and then be a total fuck wad and watch someone shout for help on something so simple for three hours. I might come off as a prick, but if I was sitting there watching this person shout for help, I would have went and soloed it for him.

Defined Irony. And no, most of the people who see shouts fly across their screen for 3 hours don't bother to help the person, even if they are sitting in Port Jeuno staring at their character models. I wouldn't hold my breath while waiting for help from someone.

[Logan Draconia]

I wouldn't waste your breath. Their argument is nothing short of this:



I just posted about helping a friend with 2-3. Look what's become of this topic because of them. lolol

This post has been edited by Logan Draconia: 16 February 2011 - 09:58 AM

[Banter]

Logan Draconia, on 16 February 2011 - 09:54 AM, said:

I wouldn't waste your breath. Their argument is nothing short of this:



I just posted about helping a friend with 2-3. Look what's become of this topic because of them. lolol

Are you brain dead or something? I posted that it's ridiculously easy to solo 2-3 at lv25. You can go to youtube and see videos of at least 3 different jobs soloing 2-3. Now, if someone is too much of an idiot to solo it themselves, I would take the 20 minutes out of my day to go and solo it for them.

[Palomaru]

I was doing abyssea at the time. I saw him shouting for help, did abyssea for some meriting and came back 2-3 times in 3 hours and each time I went back to jeuno to spend my merit points he was shouting for help. Oh, I'm such an elitist person for not dropping everything to help some random person out. If I was just sitting in jeuno bored out my ass I would actually help people out. I've helped people out with numerous AF quests, limit breaks, missions, etc... But my point isn't how much of an ass I am or am not, the point was that the dragon wasn't "easily soloable" because only a handful of jobs could really do it and even then the dragons could be quite dangerous with petrify or curse. Its good they took out the level cap on 2-3 (and on the skeleton fight too I heard?) it will help tons people out a bit. Was it needed? No, I've soloed the dragon fight before and I've even soloed the skeleton fight before (now that was hard) but its a welcome change.

I could easily go about saying "what, you don't have a 50 rdm/blu for the skeleton fight yet? wtf is wrong with you noobs, after a few attempts its EASILY soloable, hell, I bet other jobs could even solo the fight!". Or I could simply say hey, good job SE, making some random stupid mission actually doable for a majority of the population without trying to rely on others (who may never come because the server populations are dwindling and many players don't help with older content anymore).

[Velhart]

I can understand why someone new to the game would seek help for the fight, since the mechanics are still new to them. May not be aware of item enhancements or bloody bolts. But it is actually a really simple solo fight, maybe helping make someone aware of how easy it is could be beneficial. But that would be me in a good mood, which comes around once in a while.

Doesn't matter so much now that the level restriction has been lifted. I am happy for it, just because I don't care for level restrictions in general. >_>

[pathwriter]

You know, I'm glad to see the level caps removed from those missions just because it was obnoxious (though, honestly, not so difficult that I didn't easily find ways to deal with them). Pulling out the "You're all elitist jerks" card because we've pointed out that these were not terribly difficult fights, though, is what is earning you a lot of ire, Palomaru, especially when you noted how long that guy had been desperate for help. Did you need to drop your alliance to help him? No. But you could have asked if anyone in your LS was free or you could've spent a few minutes in /tell explaining to him either how to solo it or where to go on YouTube/FFXIclopedia to find some helpful information. I did that all the time when I saw someone shouting for help while I was engaged in something else.

Funny thing, really... much as Banter gets right up my nose and much as I piss people off with my sandpaper personality, we're probably the first people to actually answer questions and help others out. Most people are all talk and no action when it comes to how a community ought to operate. It's just as well that I do things simply because I want to, 'cause the amount of times I've helped LS members and random people with certain tedious things far outweighs the number of times I've gotten help from someone whom I don't know in real life. It reached a point where I'd sooner text my friend at work to help me out later that evening than waste my breath trying to find assistance anywhere else because people in Whitegate/Jeuno were far too engaged in trading lolcat pictures and hoping that someone would list a Speed Belt for 11 gil.

[Logan Draconia]

Banter, on 16 February 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

Are you brain dead or something?

Not any more than you are.

[Palomaru]

pathwriter, on 16 February 2011 - 05:12 PM, said:

You know, I'm glad to see the level caps removed from those missions just because it was obnoxious (though, honestly, not so difficult that I didn't easily find ways to deal with them). Pulling out the "You're all elitist jerks" card because we've pointed out that these were not terribly difficult fights, though, is what is earning you a lot of ire, Palomaru, especially when you noted how long that guy had been desperate for help. Did you need to drop your alliance to help him? No. But you could have asked if anyone in your LS was free or you could've spent a few minutes in /tell explaining to him either how to solo it or where to go on YouTube/FFXIclopedia to find some helpful information. I did that all the time when I saw someone shouting for help while I was engaged in something else.

Funny thing, really... much as Banter gets right up my nose and much as I piss people off with my sandpaper personality, we're probably the first people to actually answer questions and help others out. Most people are all talk and no action when it comes to how a community ought to operate. It's just as well that I do things simply because I want to, 'cause the amount of times I've helped LS members and random people with certain tedious things far outweighs the number of times I've gotten help from someone whom I don't know in real life. It reached a point where I'd sooner text my friend at work to help me out later that evening than waste my breath trying to find assistance anywhere else because people in Whitegate/Jeuno were far too engaged in trading lolcat pictures and hoping that someone would list a Speed Belt for 11 gil.

I really don't see how I'm in the wrong. People are calling others (and they have been since the level cap removal was announced several weeks ago) who had trouble with the 2-3 fight either lazy, crappy, or noobish which is just crap, plain and simple. What if they didn't have a job at 25+ that could sleep and thats what they felt comfortable with for this fight(I know theres many ways to solo the fight at 25 but sleeping is safest), what if they kept getting unlucky with petrify or curse when trying to solo and gave up after several deaths, what if they just couldn't quite solo it (a little lack of skill, considering its a level 25 cap, I don't see the harm in not being amazing at playing a level 25 job). Its not an easily soloable fight is all I'm trying to say. It is a soloable fight, but I wouldn't say someones a bad player if they can't solo the 2-3 dragon, which seems to be what a lot of people are saying (I wouldn't even say the player is at fault). And they aren't lazy if they can't get a friend or two to help them (as what my example was trying to point out). If this isn't quite true and you guys didn't quite mean it like that, then I'm sorry, my "elitist jerk" tone was be too harsh then.

And funny you should actually mention that path. I actually did try to help him a little, I suggested strategies on ffxiclopedia for solo, he was an xbox player and didn't have access to a computer (that or he didn't want to use the computer, can't exactly remember lol) and as I recall, his job selection was extremely limited. I act like I'm being a bit too defensive here, but I've actually been playing this game since the NA release (with many breaks of course lol) and I've helped countless people throughout the years on both pandemonium and now asura. And I recall one particular incident that I remember a few months ago and use it as an example and all of a sudden my monk mentor (a bit corny I know, but like 5 years ago you were a huge help lol) is calling me out . Its just frustrating because I know the ratio of me helping others on ffxi and others helping me like 50:1. Probably shouldn't bother me so much though, not really playing ffxi much anymore and I just lurk on KI (if only I know why lol).

[pathwriter]

Solo skill is not something encouraged in FFXI, so I wouldn't necessarily be very harsh with someone who couldn't get it down. Suggesting that it is a difficult solo, on the other hand, is a bit absurd (I don't recall if you did or not, just speaking generally here). I wouldn't call someone lazy for not being able to recruit a friend to assist them, but I would certainly call into question their ability to function.

Granted, if you're really that low level and have just started playing this game in the past year or so, it makes sense that you might not have any connections whatsoever as low level partying is pretty well dead... but is anyone actually picking up the game out of the blue these days? I've had friends try to get me to play Everquest and Ultima Online but my response has been, "Are you fucking crazy?" And that was from people who still played, so I'd at least have had some kind of in-game contact. That he was an X-Box player makes it all the more confusing 'cause I could really only see someone picking this game up because it sells for $5 on Steam. Does the XBLA have a similar deal or something?

Either way, on the laundry list of really irritating things that new players have to deal with, I honestly consider that fight to be very low on the list. Getting subjob items and Genkai items (including Boreal kills) is far more work and neither are pleasant to solo (I doubt most jobs can even solo the Genkai I items). It's certainly convenient to see the level restriction removed, though. The major deterrent in getting assistance for level-capped things has always been the severe power loss involved. I have Monk and Ninja at level 85 (haven't played in several months) and am very used to Utsusemi: Ni. Being dropped down to 25 would really throw me off my game, which isn't helpful in a situation where the group is likely to be underpowered to begin with. So, sure, I think this was a reasonable adjustment to make. But I don't really look at it as a godsend because any moderately competent player should have been able to solo it. The 5-1 fight is a completely separate issue, mind you. That one was not nearly so trivial to handle solo.

[Banter]

Just to poke at a random comment, I'd be willing to bet that most jobs can solo the lv50 limit break items. With the Signet buffs, /DNC or /BLU and the enhanced drop rates, none of them seem like they would be particularly challenging. The only danger I see is either getting hit with Self Destruct or aggroing extra mobs. Self destruct can be handled by any job with a stun WS or magic. Aggroing mobs is more about player skill than anything else though, but I doubt a seasoned player (lol seasoned player needing lb1?) would have too much trouble here.

[Banter]

Oh, and it's not a handful of jobs that can solo 2-3, it's the majority of jobs.