[Hackysacky]

brings a new meaning.

[pathwriter]

For a culture that designed one of the most ruthlessly effective blades on the planet, they certainly have fallen far from grace with their obsession in the past century for completely nonsensical sidearms.

[Banter]

pathwriter, on 26 February 2011 - 02:29 AM, said:

For a culture that designed one of the most ruthlessly effective blades on the planet, they certainly have fallen far from grace with their obsession in the past century for completely nonsensical sidearms.

They're the only culture on earth that thinks bringing a knife to a gun fight gives you an advantage.

[Varizen]

It does as long as it's in tight quarters confined spaces with lots of twists and halls wherein you may turn a corner and be face to face with an enemy, as in no more than 2-3 feet away, giving you plenty of time to strike a vital with a knife as opposed to trying to aim a weapon, or if you're afforded the luxury of stealth and can't afford to fire a weapon without a silencer... But of course, that's all highly situational, isn't? If you're in an open area with not much cover, it's rather silly to try and knife someone with a gun.

Now, in the bits about the Gunblades, the FFVIII ones had no range, they merely sent a shockwave through the blade to increase the cutting power. Lightning's model gave her the best of both worlds. A good strong blade can be more lethal than a gun as many Japanese katana could cut clean through bone. But against a gun, there's no way you'll close the distance to strike. Especially since a magnum deals a large wound, and an assault rifle just lands to many hits.

And then using a gun as a sword handle? That seems rather silly. Just the way it's gripped would make it unwieldy and libel to misfire and hurt you. It doesn't even make sense like a Bayonet.

Either way though. That thing is from WWII. IT wasn't ever meant to be something practical or used. The Blade is even detachable.

[pathwriter]

Varizen, on 27 February 2011 - 09:29 PM, said:

Now, in the bits about the Gunblades, the FFVIII ones had no range, they merely sent a shockwave through the blade to increase the cutting power. Lightning's model gave her the best of both worlds.

Holy christ, you actually nerded out and started talking about how fictional bullshit impossible weapons work in a serious way. You really never are going to know the intimate touch of anything other than your increasingly sentient and suicidal love-pillow, you realize that?

No, seriously, I'm not trying to be funny here: don't ever do this again. There are 13-year-olds looking askance at this sort of behavior. It's just a mercy you didn't bring up that atrocity from Devil May Cry in a serious sense.

And, no, when it comes to stopping power, pretty much nothing beats a standard handgun except a bigger gun. Any situation that limits a gun's ability to function (which is, what, being underwater?) limits a blade at least as badly. If you really imagine that the cutting power of a sharp sword beats out what a bullet does in the body, I would strongly recommend that you do some research into why bullets are made out of a metal that is so malleable it can practically be shaped using body heat.

[Velhart]

pathwriter, on 27 February 2011 - 09:44 PM, said:

No, seriously, I'm not trying to be funny here: don't ever do this again. There are 13-year-olds looking askance at this sort of behavior. It's just a mercy you didn't bring up that atrocity from Devil May Cry in a serious sense.

Doesn't he just use two handguns?

What I always find funny in some games or shows is when you see someone like police officers shoot at a bad guy, but the bullets bounce off him, then see some guy with an everyday lv.1 sword come in and defeat him. I am sure whatever those guns were packing were a lot more effective than that blade was giving.

Anyone who can't jump into the current age and believes that a sword can beat a gun, then I hope they are never in that situation. Unless they are make some cyborg ninja suit from Metal Gear and can just parry bullets. Hmmm, not in my lifetime.

[treelo]

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Anyone who can't jump into the current age and believes that a sword can beat a gun, then I hope they are never in that situation. Unless they are make some cyborg ninja suit from Metal Gear and can just parry bullets. Hmmm, not in my lifetime.

I recall watching a video of various katana blades slicing bullets clean in two. It even stopped a few .50 cal rounds before being completely obliterated by whatever gun they were firing at it with. Not quite cyborg ninja shit, but I guess it qualifies as close.

Completely agree with path on the whole nerd post thing, hang your head in shame son.

Though I have to disagree with the whole knife/gun thing. Someone bringing a blade is clearly confident in their ability to get close enough to use it, and as such is a complete badass, cue quotes from Leon and incoherent ramblings about ninja stuff. In the right hands, etc, etc.

As for the weapon above, you can stab them in the gut while shooting them in the foot, what isn't to like? Given that most of the fighting in the Pacific took place in jungles and tunnels/caves, it isn't such a bad idea really. Even if it does look ridiculous.

[Velhart]

treelo, on 27 February 2011 - 11:35 PM, said:

I recall watching a video of various katana blades slicing bullets clean in two. It even stopped a few .50 cal rounds before being completely obliterated by whatever gun they were firing at it with. Not quite cyborg ninja shit, but I guess it qualifies as close.

I think I remember them doing something like that in Mythbusters. Was with older technology though. Would work with newer stuff probably also.

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Though I have to disagree with the whole knife/gun thing. Someone bringing a blade is clearly confident in their ability to get close enough to use it, and as such is a complete badass, cue quotes from Leon and incoherent ramblings about ninja stuff. In the right hands, etc, etc.

If your referring to Leon from RE4, then yea, I took the knife only challenge, except where you "had" to use a gun. Can be done, and easily. Only using a knife on Wesker at the end of 5 was hilarious also.

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As for the weapon above, you can stab them in the gut while shooting them in the foot, what isn't to like? Given that most of the fighting in the Pacific took place in jungles and tunnels/caves, it isn't such a bad idea really. Even if it does look ridiculous.

Its only a guess, but the weapon looks like something a high ranked official of the military would have in Japan. Have it as decor for your outfit, and if there was any surprise attack, you could pull the gun off the blade without having to unsheathe it and shoot the asshole trying to attack you.

[Banter]

I imagine Verizen is similar to this in real life.

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[Banter]

Not sure if I like the named slashes or the double windmill more.

[firefeng]

Someone scare up Ono's comment about a crying clown masturbating; it fits that video perfectly.

[pathwriter]

Velhart, on 27 February 2011 - 10:38 PM, said:

Doesn't he just use two handguns?

I should have specified Devil May Cry 4. The character's sword has a fucking throttle or something retarded on it.

treelo, on 27 February 2011 - 11:35 PM, said:

I recall watching a video of various katana blades slicing bullets clean in two. It even stopped a few .50 cal rounds before being completely obliterated by whatever gun they were firing at it with. Not quite cyborg ninja shit, but I guess it qualifies as close.

Again, look into why we use an incredibly malleable metal for bullets. Hell, if you need me to point you in a direction, look for the Mythbusters episode in which they examine the properties of a silver bullet (silver is a MUCH harder metal than lead). I've watched bullets get split in two by firing at a used woodchopping axe; it's no testament to the cutting power of the weapon.

And here you go, Firefeng:

pathwriter, on 19 January 2009 - 05:20 PM, said:

This is like watching a sad, crying clown masturbate. It's hard to decide whether it's laughable, depressing, or disgusting.

No, I don't have that bookmarked. The search function on this site is actually rather powerful these days.

[Velhart]

Actually, the discussion in here immediately made me think of this.

[Varizen]

Yeah... Except I'm not over weight... This is the most recent picture of me I've got.



Oh, and you want me from a distance? a few years older, but hey. This is still my current weight.



The fictional weapons I explained are pretty much copied from SE own pages. No need to freak Path and Treelo. Those have been around for years. It's been posted on these various forums like a million times, so it's not anything new.

And further more, if you're rounding a corner and meet someone, a gun will be less effective as you have to actually get the hole to face the target. With a blade, it moves through the target. There are situations. Trust me bud. I've grown up around guns and knives, and soldiers. I know a thing or two about how to handle a fight.

Call of Duty and a lot of modern FPS have over blown melee weapons. They're not one hit kills, and do take some work, but everything has a situation. But you were to busy trying to figure out how to be a dick, as usual. Plus, it's MUCH harder to disarm someone with a knife than a gun. Mainly because a gun only works in the direction it fires. If someone's got you at knife point, they can still hurt you by slashing your hands.

[Varizen]

Also Path... Are you talking about the bullets with the cross shape notches in the top that expand to leave an exit wound 3 times larger than the entry wound? Cause there's like a million kinds of bullets for a million purposes. Also... I've got some. I've also got Teflon coated for passing through Kevlar. And some that will shoot through walls.

My family is a family of collectors. Comics, guns, you name it, we collect it.


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Just to say... the Red Queen would never work anyway. The handle would be impossible to actually turn like Nero uses, and simple physics and an understanding of torque would tell you the Nox thruster is at the wrong end of the blade. That and Nox works by cooling down the engine and allowing more air to condense and get into the engine at once allowing for more combustion. And the Red Queen obviously has no gas or engine.

That one's just for you Ono.

[pathwriter]

Get a haircut. And trying to think of the one in a billion situation where a blade might be minutely superior to a firearm is not what we call a convincing argument. I'm amazed you didn't bring up the possibility of a gun lacking ammunition, given that's far more likely than happening to have a blade extended perfectly to gut someone running around a corner.

Really, though, geeking out about nonsensical and thoroughly impossible weapons because they're vaguely related to an absurd toy that some Japanese officer had fabricated? That's not something you should be doing. I guess you missed it, but it implies a very badly skewed sense of prioritization. Then again, you keep trying to use video games as evidence in a real-world argument, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Games are wonderful things, but they're not the life simulators that Maxis wants us to think they are.

[Varizen]

I mentioned Call of Duty to demonstrate people over think the power of melee weapons as cultivated mentally by a fairly popular game. I've mentioned video games twice in this thread. It doesn't mean I use them to answer everything. You're trying a little to hard today.
Also, I'm amused you think all this is such a high priority for me. Those thing were related to the subject. Sure, it's an asinine weapon, but that's clearly part of what the OP wanted to talk about. I mean, god forbid I make a reference to a video game... on a video game forum.

And no. I'm not getting a haircut. It looks a lot better in person, but either way. I loves my long hair. Especially since my head is quite large, if my hair is too short, it doesn't look right.

[Littlebender]

Here it is. It would appear the first sword was one of lesser quality.

Also I found a pic of Path with a semen stache intact.

Spoiler

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[pathwriter]

Varizen, on 28 February 2011 - 05:55 PM, said:

I mean, god forbid I make a reference to a video game... on a video game forum.

Context, Johnny. I have nothing against video games (duh) nor allusions to them, but we don't use them as examples of how things in the real world work when talking about the real world.

Varizen, on 28 February 2011 - 05:55 PM, said:

And no. I'm not getting a haircut. It looks a lot better in person, but either way. I loves my long hair. Especially since my head is quite large, if my hair is too short, it doesn't look right.

Yeah, this is really a load of nonsense. Based on your photos, you could do to lose 20 lbs. (I am not saying this spitefully, but I understand that you'll take it that way), which is probably the larger reason why you're keeping the hair long. I'm not saying to go military crewcut but something medium length would make you look like less of the nerd that your sins in this thread suggest.

[Varizen]

You're right. I could stand to lose 20. I actually have gained about 20 over the last year since I've graduated. I'm actually down about 2 this week. But at the same time, I also have very broad shoulders which makes my frame look a lot bigger. The shoulders run in the family. But no. I keep it long because I dislike hair cuts, and I always wanted to do it long anyway. It's part of the rebellious air one gets when dealing with the religiously conservative jerks in the south.

Also, I'm proud to be a nerd, bud. Since when is being nerdy bad?

As for video games in the real world, all I did was mention how it has an impact on people's thought process as to why something ridiculous could ever be a good idea when it isn't.