[Bobbyjai]

welll, i am now a lvl 34 ranger in shiva..... i train in crawler nest/garliage cit, and i sometimes hunt nm and farm, But i still dunno wat to put as a sub job i tho of being a war nin or sam , but then i tho sam was best because later at 55 u got tat good ws so u want to use it asap i tho warriors beserk was good and nin dual wied and agi boost so i dunno wat to use, so can i ask u guys for suggestions ?

[b00sdr1v0rz]

ur choice between war or nin. as for samurai, why are people so WS crazy? if most dmg dealers have to hold back their max even at level 30 why do people think spamming your strongest attack over and over is good...

[Discordian]

rng/sam is for building up massive ammounts of TP before they fire it off. For Ranger higher TP = Higher accuracy. It makes sense for them because then they fire off that finishing shot with sidewinder and have a higher chance of connecting at 300% TP.

[Bobbyjai]

so wat do u think i should use?

[Swindler]

not samurai when its subbed you get an incredible 60 tp WOWOWOW
they have no other good abilties besides third eye which is basically useless because rangers rarely get hit and when they do it will be for more than 1 hit...

WS crazy=more hate= more MP lost on the mages=less chaining=less exp=less people that want to party you once they realize you just spam your WS

[CWolfCW]

Uh... Swindler, you're underestimating Sam sub-job a little too much. Don't forget that the skill Meditate isn't everything. Normal bow shots already give us approximately 12%-14% TP per hit (can't remember exact number), now don't forget that the Sam sub-job will also give us Store TP which will increase TP per hit add Meditate to that and you get a LOT of TP very quickly.

Just as quick example on how fast you can get TP (You probably don't want to do this though... lots of hate):

1. Get TP to 100%+ with normal hits (Ranged and Melee).
2. Use WS.
3. Get TP to 100%+ with Barrage and normal hits.
4. Use WS.
5. Get TP to 100%+ with Meditate and normal hits.
6. Use WS.

Assuming you have no misses, you can easily pull this off in a very small amount of time. Since Store TP will also be in effect....

[Bobbyjai]

so is sam good ,nin, or war

[Smurv]

they're all good, depends how you want to play imo.

thf is awesome for farming too, th + widescan = teh win

[Smurv]

either sam:

you can unload tons and tons of damage in a short time, and make your mages hate you

nin:
dual weild accuracy knives, and boosted agi from nin, plus utsusemi for when pulling / if you get agro

war:
berserk is great plus i'm not sure if double attack works with bows, but that'd be great if it did.

/shrug my ranger is lvl 1, i don't know what i'm talking about maybe, just going by what i've seen by other rangers, plus 2 friends of mine are 50+ rng.

[Andre]

smurv, you didn't complete the equation.

TH + widescan + flee = teh win

[Swindler]

Cwolf do it and see how fast you die samurai is a deathtrap Sub for any job other than a tanking WAR.

you let out all that and youll be long gone even if the pld pulls a cover

Rangers are to be conservitive, pulling hate means as a said before
More hate=more MP lost on the mages=less chaining=Less exp

do all you want but pulling hate is a no no for a ranger

[CWolfCW]

I mentioned that already... I said "You probably don't want to do this though... lots of hate".

Anyway, even if you're being conservative, having over 200%TP everytime you do Sidewinder (Accuracy affected by TP) is a good thing right?

And if you do get bored, you can always chain WS after WS near the end of the fight where you're pretty much guarantee a swift death to the mob. Having a Sam sub-job is similar to how you would play a War sub-job. You have to time your nukes. If you want to just unload a WS every chance you get, I suggest Nin sub-job since you'll have Utsusemi: Ichi and/or Utsusemi: Ni to take some hits for you.

[Thomax]

subbing sam is good for boss battles when u want to kill the enemy fast as u can, like bcnm or somthing. subbing warrior is good cause u have berserk to raise ur attack and hti for more. ninja is good if u want to use 2 archers kinfes(doh!) but i dont have a prob with accuracy so i sub warrior cause berserk is nice.

[Melphina]

I went

with nin though, i have found the accuracy boost to be very nice and since i am in a set

party with no possible pullers other than me i must do it so Utsusemi helps alot. With my

equip i have now, i have +11 agility +40 rnged accuracy and in one lvl i iwll have both

drones to up me to +17 agility. As of now if i fire a shot i can count on a 95% chance to

hit, and if you must count on trying to renkei or massive dmg to finish off a sour battle

nin gets you the accuracy you need.

As far as war i have some friends that took that

path. It has worked out fine for them, they complain though about their dmg drawing too much

hate and their accuracy failing them more often. So IMO war is a major damaging sub that

requires a little more patience and a lot more timing of shots to avoid hate.

ON the

sam subject i have never considered it though i have been told that sam are great with bows

so subbing it would make sense, though i find my WS get me into a lot of trouble thus

multiple WS without that all powerful blink, and you are in trouble. I do agree that added

tp is good for accuracy but i find you wont need that if you sub nin.

[Jeyovanyel]

well

my opinion is ranger/warrior if you want the best damage as far as rang/sam youlol get even

more hate and most likely die the fastest and first as healrs cant heal you fast enouph

firing WS off continuously
and as far as sidewinder is conscerned it is basically the

rangers equivelant of pentathrust you get 13%+ tp back
as far as accurraccy save your

sharpshot for your sidewinder
and there are many many acc+ iotems quite pricy but they

make a huge differance
me im brutal i like to kill fast and chain fast so ranger/warrior

for me
i love it !

[serrin]

I'd say

NIN or WAR are your best bets for the reasons listed. WAR is probably going to put you at

the best average damage output, while NIN does offer that awesome Ranged Accuracy increase.



And I'm going to have to back what the others where saying earlier, everyone seems

so WS crazy and having melee put up as much damage as possible. It's funny cause everyone

screams at the BLMs to watch their nukes, but these are the DRKs and RNGs and whatever else

trying to put up loads of damage and getting hate from mob and then complaining to the tank

(wait, what? isn't that the same exact thing nuking BLMs do. . . hrm. . .)

[Babinski]

Well

what race are you? mithra and taru dont really NEED an agi boost maybe a little strength. I

dont know. Im a lv20 taru ranger/ninja because i think dual wield is the shit and 2 archers

knives is +20 rng acc and at lv 35 i will have around +15 agi from +3 agi earrings (2), +2

agi rings (2) and then a few other stuff (cant remember the names.) and

cheifkabobs

Really it doesnt matter about the agi (as it can be easily fixed as

stated above, and you miss alot anyways before lv28) just want you wanna do. I do alot of

dmg with my bow right now so i didnt need the war boost, just wanted dual wield.

blah

blah! ^^