[Seraphiel]

Just want to know how many PLD here actually uses Holy and/or Banish II to control aggro (other than MB). Banish II is nice, but casting time is too long. Holy is great and casting time is short, but it takes too much MP...

[Shikasa]

Well, i'm not that high a lvl yet...but i've tried to use Banish II several times. And u're right, casting time takes way toooo long so i basically gave up trying to use it because i would never get to cast it before being smacked by the mob. I don't have Holy, but from wut u're saying it seems more viable to just use Flash. But if Holy gains major hate, i'd prolly just use it once during each battle....either in the beginning or if i lose hate and the mob targets the mages (provided i still have enough mp remaining). But between Banish II and Holy, i think i'd just stick to Holy and cast it maybe once per battle...twice if mp willing. Just my .2

[Claritin]

I don't use banish II for aggro.... My divine skill is pretty high but the cast time and mana consumption on banish II is also pretty high.

The way I feel about it is this... If I can get aggro with a banish II I can get aggro with a flash also... this means I have a choice.

1 choice leaves me with mana for another fight
the other does not

Even when I solo I skip banish II... in the amount of time it takes to cast banish II I might have placed 3 sword strikes doing nearly the same dmg for zero mana.. with no chance of interrupt.

Mana Burn however... I can see it being handy for that... although I am sure timing that is very difficult with a cast time that long.... and the fact we often particpate in the Renkei also.

Banish II - 4 seconds cast time - 47 mana - ~150 dmg depending on monster I think

Holy - instant cast time - 100 mana - Unknown damage

Flash - instant cast time - 25 mana - super blind with short duration

I would say...
Banish II=useless
Holy=handy in MB only
Flash=low mana cost, high hate, reduced dmg to my pretty lil PLD.... all around great tool.

But I am only lvl 43... so I am not speaking from experiance.

[Zaris]

You know it's strange, my Divine Magic skill is capped at 147 at level 50. But whenever i lose hate and everybody's HP is high and nothing to use my magic with but Banish II it doesn't turn the mob's head. I say on average I deal about 60-100 dmg with Banish II depending on the type of monster and his magic resistnace.

I am only 5 levels from 55, then I get Cure IV then Holy. But in all honesty, I find myself needing to Cure my teammates a lot then using divine magic other than Flash. But I don't know. I will certainly give it a try. Paladins really excel in Holy and what better way to own mobs but to recast Holy and give him the smackdown?

[Discordian]

Holy carries more hate with it then Banish II by a large margin. Its not MP efficient at all but the PLD can try to get control with it, with a Magic Burst it can do close to the damage of a RDMs Fire II. With Shock on the Mob, its even better since its based on MND and not INT.

[Seraphiel]

I use Holy in Chain #5 to finish the mob... That is always a fun finish. I am looking forward to use Holy in SkillChain Level 3:Light. That must be fun!

I still have not yet figured a way to utilize Banish II efficiently. The long casting time makes it not as useful as Flash/Cure or even Holy. However, it may serve as a backup spell when I lose aggro and have extra mp sitting around.

Holy does 150-180 damages.

[Gilthanos]

I just acquired Holy and you're right, banish II takes too long to do much of anything. Especially if you are taking the hits. My Divine is pretty high, but I still get interrupted alot when casting Banish II. Holy is neat lookin and does some decent damage on certain mobs...but as an Elvaan paladin...it is not practical. Fun for soloing and that is about it. Great to show off just like Cure IV. I also just got Spirits Within sword skill...pretty neat, but just not very practical unless you have full health and 300%...right now it is the only sword skill that lets the PLD do some damage.

[Gilthanos]

I do use Banish II after I use flash, but by then I could just use Holy and do almost triple the damage, fast good damage. However unless I know I won't need that MP for either healing or agro getting I still won't use it unless we have a RDM or BRD in the party.

[Matheau]

I use

Banish just to nuke tough worms to build up Divine (I don't have Flash yet). That is about

all the use I see for it and Banish II. Without the instant cast time, I really can't see

how either Banish would really be worth while. You could probably build more hate with a

good cure.

[plake]

[

b]Gilthanos :[/b]
I just acquired Holy and you're right, banish II takes too long to do

much of anything. Especially if you are taking the hits. My Divine is pretty high, but I

still get interrupted alot when casting Banish II. Holy is neat lookin and does some decent

damage on certain mobs...but as an Elvaan paladin...it is not practical. Fun for soloing

and that is about it. Great to show off just like Cure IV. I also just got Spirits Within

sword skill...pretty neat, but just not very practical unless you have full health and 300

%...right now it is the only sword skill that lets the PLD do some damage.

How does Spirits Within work?

[Gilthanos]

Depends on HP and TP together
at HP 1074 at 300% TP i do over 500 damage.
at HP 1074

at 100% TP i do only 143 damage.

I believe it is 1/8=100%, 1/4=200%, 1/2=300% of HP=

TP. It also cannot be chained.

[paladiny]

buy

some hi-ethers if u want to holy !

[plake]

[

b]Gilthanos :[/b]
Depends on HP and TP together
at HP 1074 at 300% TP i do over 500

damage.
at HP 1074 at 100% TP i do only 143 damage.

I believe it is 1/8=100%, 1/4

=200%, 1/2=300% of HP=TP. It also cannot be chained.

Thanks man!

[Gilthanos]

I'll

post some pictures of it if you want later today.

[Caliber]

Oh man,

you'll abso-friggin-lutely ). Even on tough mobs, I can still do roughly 250-300 dmg on

average, with occasional 400+bursts (and this is only with 100TP too). Best part is, it

renkeis the same way as Seraph Blade does so you don't really have to change much .



Only problem is our low dex doesn't help on the IT mobs we fight around that lvl,

namely Raptors who have extremely high evasion . I've actually had it hit for 8dmg

before, and average is only between 40-100. But on crabs..... I imagine it'd still be

useful.

[Gilthanos]

Hey

Plake...I created a thread showing Spirits within in five pictures in the Screenshots

section entitled well....Spirits Within.

[plake]

[

b]Caliber :[/b]
Oh man, you'll abso-friggin-lutely ). Even on tough mobs,

I can still do roughly 250-300 dmg on average, with occasional 400+bursts (and this is only

with 100TP too). Best part is, it renkeis the same way as Seraph Blade does so you don't

really have to change much .

Only problem is our low dex doesn't help on the IT

mobs we fight around that lvl, namely Raptors who have extremely high evasion . I've

actually had it hit for 8dmg before, and average is only between 40-100. But on crabs.....

I imagine it'd still be useful.

Damn man, sounds SWEET. Only 6 levels to

go

[quote]Gilthanos :
Hey Plake...I created a thread showing Spirits

within in five pictures in the Screenshots section entitled well....Spirits Within.
[/

quote]

Thanks again man, i'll check it out!