[Raiyn]

The only thing pushing me to level to 75 is that one day I'll be standing in the open field of Dragon's Aery pulling my spear out and using Jump to grab Fafnirs attention as a full 18 people alliance runs by me to start the battle. And the moment it says 'Fafnir was intimated by your prescence.' I will have reached the highest point of the game for myself.

[SS]

'Fafnir was intimated by your prescence.'


Dont worry that will never happen ^^;

[Hoshigami]

Raiyn, I am really sorry for dissapointing you, but as a drg, you will never ever get to fight Fafnir. I myself try to go and fight Fafnir couple times and guess what, I don't get to fight, all I have to do is SJ: Warrior and stand there along with other tanker and use provoke.
Strategy to fight Fafnir is to have lots of blm, at least 4 or 5 pld lv 75, 3 brd and some rdm. That's it. Pld would stay horizontal to provoke so Fafnir doesn't do it breath on casters. Thf may also need for better drop, but only 1 required. And Fafnir AE Wind attack is really danger. I once watch the fight from really far away and barely see anything, yet I still take damage.

As for most of HNM, melee is the last thing they will need and being a drg, that lower my chance considerate. But since I am in a average HNM LS, I do however able to fight turtle, Bune, Roc and couple HNM, but no good drop so far. As for last night, my LS try to fight Behemot, but competiting with 3 others JP HNM LS, we don't stand a chance since you know they get monster before we could see it.

So if you really think about fighting HNM or most of it, go for caster like blm or brd is a most needed.

[SS]

yea. Hoshigami bastically sums it up. For HNMs, jobs thats wanted: or have a good chance of doing well.

- RDM/NIN if your 75. Youll be expected to tank
- NIN/WAR << just too good
- BLM << MUST
- WHM << Only for Raise 3 if your planning on dieing aka King behemoth
- BST << They are great for debuffing NMs Seen it many times with a BST & BLM own many HNMs
- Melee wise, WAR & MNK seems to be the best coz they can at least take a few hits b4 some casts a Cure 1000 on you.
- PLD - Obvious
- RNG - Great scanners
- BRD - Obvious
- THF - TH2 and hate control

DRG - NO USE -

[uultimaweapon]

i myself am drk and i enjoy the damage i do, from what iv seen past lvl 50 of dragoons they can almost TP almost as fast as sam from using both the jump abilites. Iv seen goons TP 3 times in one combat and can probly chain on themselves if possible. I not BSing i saw this with my own eyes.

[Nohmaan]

Yeah.. im glad im too the point where drg realize that drk are the best melee damagers. Too long did i have to put up with "im th ebest i can penta thrust with sam sub ic an blah blah blah"

DRG is nto the best melee. They are not supposed to be, they have other roles. SO, while they arent completely worthless, they fall into their niche.

Im not looking forward to tanking those HNM. BOO!

[Kaishi]

Hoshigami :
I admit that I haven't read all of the post above, but as the strongest drg in Asura server, I have alot of experience with drg.
When a drg lv past 60, they faced alot of problems:
1. Lack of equipment choice compared to drk, Drk can get more + accuracy and + attack equipment than a drg which lead to more damage.
2. At lv 65 I think, drg will get WS:Wheeling Thrust, it's a 1 hit WS that ignore defense of enemy which mean you alway do 175+ damage on any type of monster no matter how weak or strong the monster is. Sucky WS. and I have to use this to SC with a Drk WS Spinning Slash which does 800+ with trick on and the resulted is lv 3 Light SC which can do 400-600+ damage.
3. Wyvern bad, it won't live long enough because most of the place you get xp pt, monsters will do AE attack which mean death to wyvern except Kuftal which 69-72.
4. Most of best XP place past lv 65+ mostly involve with undead, I am lv 73 and I still hang around Ro'move to get 85xp to 130xp while others undead fighter can get 150-200xp each kill which really depressing to lv any higher. And at Ro'moeve, monsters used AE attack too so death to wyvern again.
5. I once wait for 2 weeks with seek pt on, and got 0 invite. I watched as alot of low lv players I used to know past my lv which really irritate to think about.

But look on the bright side, at lv 65+, drg can go farm and kill monsters generally faster than any other job due to wyvern. But bst pet can do more damage than my wyvern so kind of dissapointing.

well there's another alternative to Ro' Maeve, try Ru Aun Gardens, mostly arcana but ya they give more exp than those damn weapons in Ro' Maeve.

as for DRG not hitting as hard as a drk? heh. i suggest u should see it with ur own eyes before just repeating what u saw somewhere else, where that post itself is speculation from some other post. that's how rumor starts. i have no problem out damaging DRKs at this lvl. i hit harder per hit, and swing faster. not including wyvern damage. the only reason why they do more is from the skillchain.

i'm not saying DRG is better than DRK or vice versa, but people need to just stop comparing them on a role that they're not even the same as. DRG have their own role and DRK have theirs. DRG is a very good partner for SA/TA, simply cuz they can jump. so u can do TA behind the DRG and it's all good. DRG also have no problem getting hate from the tanker either, which also makes TA behind the tank doable. Can DRKs do this? no. or very difficult. but am i saying DRGs are better? no. because DRKs have their own things to do, like absorb spells and stun.

If jobs were comparable, and one can completely replace another's functionality. then square did a bad job on the job designs which i feel they did pretty good on. but if that's not the problem, then it must mean every job has it's own up and down.

and for all those young DRGs out there, don't be disappointed ^^. although there isn't many of us at high lvls, doesn't mean that we're not needed or we're not as good. what fun would it be if there was no dragoons on top?

[Hoshigami]

Well, guess what, not many people can go to Ru Aun Gardens. You think you can go and expect everyone can go as well. I tried to ask one pt to go there for lv and guess what, 2 of the jp in pt don't have access to that place.
As for the role of drg, Drg can shed hate is good, but will they have enough def to make it worth while with ninja tank. War can do Light Skill Chain with drk and they can tank better. Besides, have you ever look at how much damage per hit that a drg and drk can do. As for jump, you think you can have time to recover High Jump and Super Jump fast enough for a pt that fight non-stop, I don't think so.
Drg had to stick with Grand Knight Lance until lv 74 or 75, unless you can afford collosal lance or willing to give up +7 accuracy for ice lance. And this make drg damage output suck. As for wyvern, god, you want to use wyvern to fight weapons and watch it died in less than 3 fights.

Let's me ask you a personal question, can you speak japanese or are you a japanese? Because if you do, then you don't know the real pain I had to endure to get this lv. I just got another pt reject for not being able to speak jp yesterday. And there are noone near my lv willing to pt with me unless they really had to.

Hmm, how could this be fun if I spent more than3 monthes to get from 60 to 74, and I had to stay in Jueno most of the time. I got no invite for a long time and I had to beg people for pt. I gave up all the mission and HNM hunt when I am in pt and I don't get to lv SJ unless I want no pt that day and I had to constantly check people to see whether there enough to form pt or not. If I have a static pt and alot of english speaking people to pt with, then I have no complaint. But I got this far on my own and on the side note, I never ever get any help from any NA players.

Here is the stats from my server for english speaking dragoon
#1 is me lv 74
#2 is 1 drg lv 69
#3 is 2 drg lv 67
#4 is 2 drg lv 62
And the rest is just low lv drg below 60. And guess what, they had the same problem with me. No static pt, or some just got kick out of their static pt. They had no money and they can't do shit but wait around for invite.

[Elerian]

Laba is 75 and on asura.

There are a few others that speak english and are that high. Rushing to levels on a brand new server is going to get you stuck. ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A MELEE CLASS. There's no if ands or buts about it. It sucks, but unless you feel like switching servers, or doing something else and waiting for the rest of the server to catch up, there's not much you can do. It took the JPs over a year to get most chars to 75. And yet most NAs are doing it in 5-6 months. There's other stuff to do besides level. Sometimes it's good to explore some of those other ones or you're just going to get burnt out.

This game isn't just about getting the highest level you possibly can. You can take that from it if you want, but there's plenty of other things you'll be missing out on.

[Wraithfire]

I'm not to lvl 60 yet, but I think some of you are judging drg's on the wrong things. Drg's are the masters of hate. No other class can spam ws like they do and if you have a thf sub at 60 then you can pretty much keep the mob on your pld at all times and then let drk's sneak+trick+last resort+soul eater+guilliotine off you and then use super jump. Drg's are not meant to be the highest damage class, although at my lvl I can do more damage than drk's I've pt'ed with because I invest lots of money in euip/food and play my job right. You can then add a wyvern on top of that and I can contribute alot more to a pt than just brute force and it results in a more stable party that can help make easy steady exp. Otherwise going by what yall are saying a pt should be a healer, a tank, *maybe* a blm and then 3 rng's or maybe drk's. That pt would be unstable and couldn't allow the other jobs to effectively do as much damage as they potentially could. Sacrifice just a small amount of damage that a drk would do over a properly played drg and the pt will do much more damage and spend less mp on healing.


It's all about knowing your job role and playing it well. Once someone gives you the opportunity to join their party and they see you doing this, you will get a pt over other drk's or rng's that don't play their job as well.

[Kaishi]

Hoshigami :
Well, guess what, not many people can go to Ru Aun Gardens. You think you can go and expect everyone can go as well. I tried to ask one pt to go there for lv and guess what, 2 of the jp in pt don't have access to that place.
As for the role of drg, Drg can shed hate is good, but will they have enough def to make it worth while with ninja tank. War can do Light Skill Chain with drk and they can tank better. Besides, have you ever look at how much damage per hit that a drg and drk can do. As for jump, you think you can have time to recover High Jump and Super Jump fast enough for a pt that fight non-stop, I don't think so.
Drg had to stick with Grand Knight Lance until lv 74 or 75, unless you can afford collosal lance or willing to give up +7 accuracy for ice lance. And this make drg damage output suck. As for wyvern, god, you want to use wyvern to fight weapons and watch it died in less than 3 fights.

Let's me ask you a personal question, can you speak japanese or are you a japanese? Because if you do, then you don't know the real pain I had to endure to get this lv. I just got another pt reject for not being able to speak jp yesterday. And there are noone near my lv willing to pt with me unless they really had to.

Hmm, how could this be fun if I spent more than3 monthes to get from 60 to 74, and I had to stay in Jueno most of the time. I got no invite for a long time and I had to beg people for pt. I gave up all the mission and HNM hunt when I am in pt and I don't get to lv SJ unless I want no pt that day and I had to constantly check people to see whether there enough to form pt or not. If I have a static pt and alot of english speaking people to pt with, then I have no complaint. But I got this far on my own and on the side note, I never ever get any help from any NA players.

Here is the stats from my server for english speaking dragoon
#1 is me lv 74
#2 is 1 drg lv 69
#3 is 2 drg lv 67
#4 is 2 drg lv 62
And the rest is just low lv drg below 60. And guess what, they had the same problem with me. No static pt, or some just got kick out of their static pt. They had no money and they can't do shit but wait around for invite.

i'm not japanese, and no i didn't not say that i EXPECT u to be able to go to ru aun gardens. i was merely providing an alternative choice. as for the high jump and super jump, yes u can use those non stop and work with ninjas if u know what ur doing. or u might have interpretted me wrong.

as u should know by now drgs are usually first part of the skillchain, and the 2nd dmg dealer is probbaly a thf or drk thf. u don't have to hold the hate for long if u just want hate right before ur partner does TA on tank... and if it doesn't miss u might not even have to use any of the jumps. do ws, provoke, warcry or whatever get the hate off the tank so the monster face u, then have the 2nd part of the chain on the tank with TA. not much need for jump unless ur playing with a thf, in which case u do sa/ta in beginning of battle most of the time, and that SHOULD get hate off u to the tank, and if not, then a high jump would do it. and if u alternate between high and super jump, there should be enough cooldown time in between.

1 more thing, i use a colossal lance, but i had to save up for it. the 7 accuracy from grand knight lance isn't really needed if u have other stuff to balance it out, like sniper rings and merman gorget etc. and 73-74 can wear that red armor, forgot the name, narashima vest was it? and the 73 is cardinal vest. it got +4 accuracy i think.

[Hoshigami]

In case you haven't notice this, I am a drg/sam and I choose this because I love sub sam. In my previous post, I never said anything about drk or anything to be better than drg. All I am saying is that drg did so little damage to skillchain. And you think I don't update my equipment, I spent 2 weeks off farming and got myself a dusk trousers yesterday, aiming for this weekend to get Amemit +1. As for armor, I used Assault jerkin instead of that carnival or narashima vest since it way better.

Collosal lance is a rare item, I waited for 1 month and not a single one was shown up in the AH in my server. As the drg/sam, I aim for +attack and + accuracy. I of course got all the +accuracy item. My total accuracy now is +37, and without G. Knight Lance, I would have +30 accuracy and that's not enough. Sidenote: Did you ever calculate how much +attack and +accuracy that drk, war etc... have over drg.

About the Tulia access, believe me, I am is like what, 1 out of less than 20 people that can go to Tulia (I am referring to English speaking) of all the players in my server.

Let's me ask you all, SC Light is needed, would you rather get a drg that can do low damage in their part of SC and take alot of damage or would you rather get a war/nin that can blink and take way less damage?

I did my part of SC and I did jump according so I am not getting alot of hate. But the damage output throughout the battle is suck if you compared to drk, war. Drg doesn't have much choice in weapon and I did 100+ damage each hits compared to war/nin that can do 60-80 damage each hit, and drk 800+ at the end of their SC, this is not funny.

To Elerian: Laba is a jp player and he is lv 70 only, he doesn't intent to lv it up any higher, did you ever check his equipment? Surely you would notice the peacock charm and alot of rares.
Taishi is another drg lv 75 (pld lv 75 now) and so is Xion and others, but they are all jp.

[Slayer]

I think all this dragon vs. darknight crud should end, both jobs have there respectable attacks and abilities. Btw I still think Ranger/Samurai is the stronger combo. Look for on in action and be amazed.

[Taps]

ranger/nin = higher acc. = higher dmg

[Elerian]

Hoshigami :
To Elerian: Laba is a jp player and he is lv 70 only, he doesn't intent to lv it up any higher, did you ever check his equipment? Surely you would notice the peacock charm and alot of rares.
Taishi is another drg lv 75 (pld lv 75 now) and so is Xion and others, but they are all jp.

Laba is taiwanese and speaks english. If you meant to say NA DRG's, that's fine, but saying english speaking doesn't really isolate just the NA players. And no, I haven't checked him, because checking is considered rude by the majority of 70+s.

My point was more oriented to the fact that we're still on a relatively new server, with less JPs than most of the others. Unfortunately, since 3/4 of the server went for melee classes, and half the server is still below lvl 50, there's not much you can do on this server as a high lvl dragoon. But I wouldn't really consider this as a standard for all DRGs on all servers.

[Hoshigami]

Well, your assumption about 3/4 of population is base nothing more than a mere guess. And all the thing I am saying now, happened now. As for standard of any drg in different server, they are asking for advice on how drg perform past lv 60, so if they want an easy time lving drg, they would have to wait for the rest of server to get average lv 60 and that would take 3 or 4 monthes and my question is: Are they willing to wait that long to lv their favorite job? They asking for advice now mean they intent to get past lv 60 in any time soon in the future.
As for me, what the point of lving drg to high lv in new server you asked. Well, would you like to wait for the rest of NA or english speaking people to get to your lv and lv with them, and by that time you have no place to farm and would have to competite with others in NM hunt at NA peak time. There are an advantage of being a high NA melee and I can go farm in peace now knowing that I don't have to wait for monster to spawn and had to competite with like 10+ PCs in small farm area. (like Valkum Lizard is sometimes crowded by lv 30ish to farm for skin now).

[Hoshigami]

Oh, the hunt for Genbu last night really make me glad that I am high lv now. If there are alot of NA people around my lv now, would they leave Genbu alone, I doubt that.
BTW, my ls and jp friends already got the 4 stones in Tulia and we are about to go fight Kirin anytime soon in the future.
Another advantage would be AF2, my dynamis LS only have 2 drg and I almost got wyrm brais last dynamis if I didn't have the stupid test and can't stay up that late in the morning, I would have go and get that ; ;

[Elerian]

Hoshigami :
Well, your assumption about 3/4 of population is base nothing more than a mere guess. And all the thing I am saying now, happened now. As for standard of any drg in different server, they are asking for advice on how drg perform past lv 60, so if they want an easy time lving drg, they would have to wait for the rest of server to get average lv 60 and that would take 3 or 4 monthes and my question is: Are they willing to wait that long to lv their favorite job? They asking for advice now mean they intent to get past lv 60 in any time soon in the future.
As for me, what the point of lving drg to high lv in new server you asked. Well, would you like to wait for the rest of NA or english speaking people to get to your lv and lv with them, and by that time you have no place to farm and would have to competite with others in NM hunt at NA peak time. There are an advantage of being a high NA melee and I can go farm in peace now knowing that I don't have to wait for monster to spawn and had to competite with like 10+ PCs in small farm area. (like Valkum Lizard is sometimes crowded by lv 30ish to farm for skin now).

It's not a guess. If you want me to post the number breakdowns of melees vs. support classes that are online at any given time, it's about a 4 : 1 ratio. And I do understand that they are asking for advice on how DRGs perform after 60. All i'm saying is that most of the troubles that you're suggesting are server relative. There are plenty of other servers with more than an adequate amount of high levels to go around.

And I never asked you your reasons for leveling DRG so quickly. To each his own, I was just pointing out some of the difficulties that you will encounter on this server in the process, which i'm sure you're already aware of.