[novadog]

Last night our 6th DC'd and one guy asked if we wanted to invite a BLM from his LS to do the guys orb.

We were working on a each person lots on his orb runs and splits it with those who had fought that fight scheme because they had done 1 run before I got there and had another member DC that I replaced.

The run of 6 went extremely well and we got a claw before the BLM came and another claw on the BLM's orb.

However, yesterday evening after the 1st claw sold the BLM, Shinjiaru refused to share his claw unless he received an equal share of the entire loot from the BCNM run claiming you either have 'your orb, your loot' OR 'equal split.' We tried to argue that that wasnt how we had set it up but he refused to see it any other way.

After further discussion we decided it wasn't worth proving the point to him to lose out on the claw we had gotten in the BCNM however, when we approached him later and offered 1mil in exchange for an equal split on the 2nd claw he said he had already sold the claw and bought HQ staves and that we shouldn't have been so greedy to begin with because now he was keeping the claw for himself.

My question, is this complete BS or does he have a legitimate claim to a full piece of the 6 runs when he was only there for 1 of them? OR Is he just trying to hide his own selfish greed by accusing us?

Either way the BLM's name is Shinjiaru and he told us to go f' ourselves when we tried to evenly split it so we would gain a piece of that 2nd claw and that he was going to get us back for being greedy.

Judge as you will but I'd like to know your opinion on the lotting system as well.

And yes, I had a rule that I would never kc30 with anyone I didn't personally know and I broke it because one of our NIN vouched for him, that's the last time I make that mistake.

[Sebazy]

Golden rule, don't replace people mid BCNM run, it makes things so damned complicated =o

[walks]

/wave Vaseka

Either way he's being a douchebag by not even trying to hear your explanation or work something out. It's sad how greedy some people can get in this game.

I have over 30 KS right now and I know I'll never get the opportunity to tag along for a chance at a claw and get it synthed into a harness for my ninja because of people that burn others on these kind of deals. I don't want any drops or a share of any drops (with or without a claw drop). If claw doesn't drop, at least I made a legitimate attempt at getting my own harness.

[novadog]

I'll be happy to help you go on that run when the time comes walks.

And yah we pretty much broke two golden rules for KC30 which are no midrun replacements and no one you don't personally know very well.

So yah, I'll take partial blame for those, but the fact remains that we tried to find a solution and still got left w/out even 10g from the 2nd claw of the bcnm we beat which is pretty depressing.

[walks]

It's nice when you do runs with trusted people and you know you can let one person take all of the items to sell at the AH without worrying that the person will run away with it.


Btw: NIN is 61 now

[Dragonhope]

walks :
/wave Vaseka

Either way he's being a douchebag by not even trying to hear your explanation or work something out. It's sad how greedy some people can get in this game.

I have over 30 KS right now and I know I'll never get the opportunity to tag along for a chance at a claw and get it synthed into a harness for my ninja because of people that burn others on these kind of deals. I don't want any drops or a share of any drops (with or without a claw drop). If claw doesn't drop, at least I made a legitimate attempt at getting my own harness.

I can relate. I don't care if people take and split the loot of my orbs 5 ways if I don't get a claw. But if I do, i'd like to turn it into an SH to use too. But again...the greedy thing comes into play...I don't know many people that would do this. Even if most agree to it at first, it wouldn't surprise me when one of them would say, "Lets just sell this claw and split the loot" if the claw were to drop on my orb after the agreement. Quite disgusting but it's also what makes a human I guess >.>

He should've split it with everyone because he couldn't have won that BCNM without everyone else. And since he wasn't there for the other runs, he has no legitimate claim to the other loot because he did not even list a finger for it. It's just an excuse to get more gil out of it as far as I can see.

[Discordian]

I see both sides of this but the next time just be very clear before you enter the BC of what everyone expects.

[novadog]

Yah some assumptions were made that when we were told he was fully filled in to how it would work and agreed that he actually was.

Over time you take a risk or two with this and sometimes I guess you get lazy, least that's what happened with us. Too easily trusting of people since we can trust each other. Oh well, I'm sure Shin's HQ staves will more than outweigh the damage he has caused himself.

[HAcoreRD]

isnt he greedy by selling it and buying his Stave(s)?

[Goliathas]

Yea Vas... Dedaj, Abhor, and Az told me about this last night. I was PTed with them and all they wanted to do is try to work it out this this Shinjiaru or w/e his name is was just being a douche. Maybe it was a misunderstanding but jesus, you don't gotta be an A-hole about it. He's labeled a thief now so in a way he got his punishment...

[Carbonite]

Seems like a thief to me. He basically wanted to get as much gil as if he had been there for all the fights when really he only participated in one. You're not supposed to switch any party members when dividing loot from 6 orbs anyway, though (as others have said).

[novadog]

Well we were on a high note and on a roll and feeling good. Dedaj said Shin 'had an orb collecting dust he'd like to use' so we figured we were helping him do it.

Lesson learned however.

[Exhealer]

I usually do it with a bunch of BST which i trust with anything. We have done many runs and i have done it with JP or NA BSTs. Everyone has their rules and you just have to follow them. Ex. In JP BCNM everyone has to run out of BC once all mobs are dead so the orb holder gets all the drops and keeps them. When i go with NA BSTs we usually split evenly. Its all a matter of communication and following the rules. I have done BCNM where we subbed in a 7th BST before and he only got drops from that BC split with other 5 ppl in it. Sorry it happened to you but its not the first case or loot being taken and never split. Just have to go with ppl you know and trust.

[Rikuss]

haha that Mpk sig owns ~.^

[firiien]

Kinda depends on how it worked. If you guys told him before he joined that he would only be there for one round and it was full split, then that's how it should have been. If you didn't clarify before it's hard to say. He is not entitled to any loot that dropped before he came, because he didn't help with any of those bcnm's. However, if you all get loot off his orb, and he's only getting loot off one orb, it kinda sucks for him. I can see why he might not like that, but it's his own fault for joining, unless he didn't know you were only doing one orb and it was a 6 way split on his. Would be like him making a party where he had the only orb and did a 6 way split. Nice for everyone but him. Would be kinda stupid of him, though. Either way it kinda sucks for you guys, but if you didn't clarify before hand then he's not *technically* doing anything wrong =/

[novadog]

Yes, he knew the lotting rules and pretended he did not after the Claw dropped. The following day his story changed again as he invented the idea that we had 2 claws drop BEFORE his run to somehow justify his telling us to screw off after we offered an even split in an attempt to get our piece of the 2nd claw.

Yes, it was truly a screw job I've ascertained and I'm much more inclined to trust the NIN that vouched for him and said he understood how the loot was being split than the BLM that took the claw and then changed his story multiple times.

[Majhone]

Easy, I dont do BCNM's with anyone outside my LS. Period. If someone disconnects, either someone from LS comes to take their place or we wait however long it is till he comes back and we group up again.

You work hard for your seals to buy the orbs with.

Dont just use random pts. You tend to get a raw deal in the end and you run the risk of losing the battle due to idiot screwups. Trusted groups experienced in working together ALWAYS have a better chance of suceeding.

[kammera]

OMG /sigh this is the only post i'm going to make so this doesn't become a flame war. This is Shinjiarus sister, for all those who don't know. ok...

1.Your title - if this was really about the lotting process why post it in the server forum instead of the main forum? Because you wanted to bad mouth shin. You can try and cover it any way you want but thats what your trying to do by posting it here.

2.I love how you omitted here the same thing you omitted on ala. So let me fill everyone else in......

When shin was asked to do the KS30 he asked how drops were divided and the exact words were "We are splitting the orbs" After V.Claw dropped shin had found out you guys had already been doing runs and that he wasn't gone get any of the previous runs, which he wasn't entitled to because he wasn't there, but he was not going to give up his KS30 cause you guys had decided to with hold vital information from him. So instead of trying to talk to him about it, BEFORE shin told you to stfu, you guys start threatning that one of your parents work for SE and gonna have his account deleted. I don't care if it was a lie/immature whatever, if I was gonna give you money and you told me that, I'd tell you stfu too. If shin wouldn't have gotten the V.Claw and would have gotten, as you stated on ala, 100k drops, you wouldn't have cared. What would that be divided???? 16k for shin on his KS30, sounds like a rip to me. but wait he didn't get 100k in drops did he? and thats why you cared. Bottom line is:

1.Tell the full story if you gonna tell it
2.Don't try to hide something, LIKE YOUR TITLE, to try and bad mouth someone
3.Don't invite someone to a KS30 for 1 run cause that is screwing them to start with.

[novadog]

Kammera

According to Dedaj *who didn't steal a venomous claw from us*
Shin knew exactly how it was going down and that we were helping him.

The next day Shin told me that he was told 'we split orb'

Notice the singular nature. Not plural. He didn't presume that we would split orbs til a VClaw dropped. I know it sucks that your brother thieved a claw but that's the truth.

We also tried to make it right and he said to f'off then after I posted these on alla/ki he said "I don't give a shit, this will be forgotten in a month and I'll still have my 6million." So yah... believe whatever you want but your sibling has got the wool pulled over your eyes.

3. Shin told Dedaj he had an orb 'collecting dust' so we offered to let him come do it. He accepted and there wasn't any issue til he got the claw to drop then his story started to change. His story changed that night. Then it changed again the next morning when our claw sold. Then it changed AGAIN after I put all this up on alla.

I actually wanted people's opinion on whether I was wrong to feel like he didn't have a right to lot on the other orbs and that's what this post is about.