[Konda]

Rikkitikkitavi, on 30 December 2009 - 02:03 PM, said:

What sub do you prefer for milk?

/pup obviously

[Sonfreil]

Oh, hello there...Bats...would you all like to be my friends?


As you can see, I come in peace. In fact, I'm an angel! La la la, holy art thee!


JUST KIDDING, I SPLODE YOU!!!!!

[Konda]

0/3 on katana

buyer for the pigment thing was afk when it died, so didnt get any gil from it either...

[Fastfingerjoe]

we are like 2/~30 on katana now. first went to a nin who never tanks and i lost lot on second against a pld4lyfe >_>

[Sonfreil]

I'm 1/1 on Nagiritsune from Oupire, but...I don't really need it lol.

[Aliadim]

Sonfreil, on 31 January 2010 - 07:00 PM, said:

I'm 1/1 on Nagiritsune from Oupire, but...I don't really need it lol.

Don't really need it? That hurt me inside a bit.

[Sonfreil]

Aliadim, on 01 February 2010 - 12:14 AM, said:

Don't really need it? That hurt me inside a bit.

I barely play NIN. What is it good for?

[Konda]

-mdt is the hardest stat to find for NIN.

[Sonfreil]

Since it's hard and rare to find a -mdt% for NIN, is it even worth doing it for NIN?

[Nattack]

IS IT WORTH IT TO UPGRADE YOUR STATS GUYS? I MEAN ITS ONLY 3% HASTE RITE

[Konda]

Sonfreil, on 02 February 2010 - 05:25 PM, said:

Since it's hard and rare to find a -mdt% for NIN, is it even worth doing it for NIN?

What else would you suggest doing for dealing with magic damage?

I said it was hard to find, not impossible. Compared with PLD who seem to be able to shit out seemingly endless amounts of -mdt and mdb. Heavy magic damage has never been NIN's strong point, but being able to deal with it is all part of being a good NIN.

[Sonfreil]

I was trying to not say it, but I will anyway, lol @ NIN tanks. I have NIN, I love the job (well, 2nd love, 1st love is SAM), but not as a tank. NIN tanks used to exist in my server, but they have long been phased out by PLDs. And there are 1320980938209382 PLDs in my server, thus never a need for a NIN tank. And thus, never a need for -MDT% for it. If anything, i've been working on making my NIN a halfway decent DD instead of pretending to tank when clearly, there are better options. The only reason I'm trying to make it a decent DD is because I know it will never be as good as my SAM or MNK or WAR, or even my DRG. I use it for Campaign Battle only mostly. And again, I'm sorry, but this is how my server is -----> lol @ NIN tanks.

[Nattack]

i hate every ounce of you.

[pathwriter]

Saw that coming.

[Fastfingerjoe]

Sonfreil, on 02 February 2010 - 08:46 PM, said:

I was trying to not say it, but I will anyway, lol @ NIN tanks. I have NIN, I love the job (well, 2nd love, 1st love is SAM), but not as a tank. NIN tanks used to exist in my server, but they have long been phased out by PLDs. And there are 1320980938209382 PLDs in my server, thus never a need for a NIN tank. And thus, never a need for -MDT% for it. If anything, i've been working on making my NIN a halfway decent DD instead of pretending to tank when clearly, there are better options. The only reason I'm trying to make it a decent DD is because I know it will never be as good as my SAM or MNK or WAR, or even my DRG. I use it for Campaign Battle only mostly. And again, I'm sorry, but this is how my server is -----> lol @ NIN tanks.

NIN is a good tank and will always be as long as there are ppl that dont suck at counting to 4 instead of 3. it is no secret that it needs way more work to tank good on nin than it does on pld, but just because every granny can tank on pld doesnt mean nin tanks are lol just cuz they take more effort and skill. i tank frequently on nin and my ls trusts my nin. on fairy are several good nin tanks that get to tank everything frequently, the only thing i can think of i have never seen a nin as tank was at KB. have fun with your opinion but there will always be some nin tanks as long as there are ppl willing to put in the effort to make nin tank work. i can just speak for myself but i leveled nin just for tanking on it and i'll continue to tank on nin to show ppl like you that pld isnt the end-all be-all for every fucking mob in the game

[Konda]

Sonfreil, on 02 February 2010 - 08:46 PM, said:

I was trying to not say it, but I will anyway, lol @ NIN tanks. I have NIN, I love the job (well, 2nd love, 1st love is SAM), but not as a tank. NIN tanks used to exist in my server, but they have long been phased out by PLDs. And there are 1320980938209382 PLDs in my server, thus never a need for a NIN tank. And thus, never a need for -MDT% for it. If anything, i've been working on making my NIN a halfway decent DD instead of pretending to tank when clearly, there are better options. The only reason I'm trying to make it a decent DD is because I know it will never be as good as my SAM or MNK or WAR, or even my DRG. I use it for Campaign Battle only mostly. And again, I'm sorry, but this is how my server is -----> lol @ NIN tanks.

You think NIN can DD. But you dont think NIN can tank?

You're straight up retarded.


If it can be stunned, NIN is better.
If it attacks very fucking hard (tiamat etc), NIN is better
If it attacks slow, NIN is better.
If you have more than a RDM for support, NIN can compete on any mob.
It can't be melee'd NIN is almost certainly better unless it spams nothing but AOE magic (JoL)

The ONLY mobs where I honestly say I'd prefer PLD is Kirin(straight tank), Ouryu and JoL... And I've tanked both Kirin and Ouryu on NIN. I've not done much Sea, so the oppertunity to tank on JoL on NIN hasn't arose.
Kirin because of all the Magic attacks, and the ability to self cure when it's spamming whirlwind
Ouryu because it attacks very fucking fast on the ground, and deals only magic DMG in the air... (although if we used an +earth set, NIN would prolly be better)...PLD/RDM is very good in this fight.
JoL uses magic only, and so PLD/RDM is very good here also.


At the end of the day, it comes down to the forms of damage reduction between shadows. PLD uses shield, NIN uses -pdt. A straight up -50% reduction in damage is often much more efficient than a chance to block some of the damage.
NIN get more shadows, with more haste; more enmity more physical damage reduction and more things to hold the hate cap.
PLD get shield mastery (I can honestly say I'm envious of this), the ability to self cure, and more -mdt/mdb items and Atonement (again, a big deal if you're lowman)

It's dependant on the mob, the player and that players equips. A good NIN won't be as effective as a good PLD on some mobs, and vice versa on other mobs.

[Sonfreil]

I'd first want to tank on NIN before I get tanking gear for NIN. Since I don't, I don't need tanking gears on NIN. And since I play NIN for an LS event 1% of the time. And my LS, which I've been in since 2004, doesn't use NIN tanks, the point of it becomes even more moot. My other jobs are way too good for a need of me to NIN-tank anything. All your points are good, I don't deny that...in fact, I agree, but I say "lol @ NIN-tanks" based on my server's view on them. It's basically "why even bother doing it? you won't make the main alliance or tank party since we have 80 million PLDs" and 3 of them in my LS have Aegis (Do note that the 80 million is obviously an exaggeration). So, my perspective is biased. So again, lol @ NIN-tanks that try to do it in the situation that I'm in.

If you really want to change the minds of people in my LS and server, you'd have to come and show them, because I'm not going to do it. My other jobs are more useful than NIN for me to care. I have a NIN pretending to DD, prepped for if ever SE decides to make it a better DD. Until then, it's for leisure time job and running fast @ night.

It's cool I guess that you're adamant about a video game job. Shows spirit. But again, it's just your opinion about a video game, which is of no real value. So is mine actually...but I find how bothered you are about my careless opinion entertaining...almost like bad reality TV (yea, that's redundant). And you feel so strongly against what I say. In the end of the day, FFXI is not even worth mentioning to anyone. So, lol @ you too. Good talk.


-Sonf

PS: lol @ NIN tanks. (I'm like Manny Pacquiao w/ the extra jabs)
I'm such an angel 0:-) [This is a ScreenShot of NIN thread afterall]

[pathwriter]

ITT: Another pain-in-the-arse Samurai player makes a point of trying to piss off anyone who disagrees with him.

[Konda]

You're overlooking a major factor of NIN endgame tanking: you NEED good equipment. with halfassed sets, you're going to get raped.

Sure pld is easier; you just throw on all your shield equipment, toss a flash or two and hide behind all the updates SE pumped into the job to make it comparable to NIN.

NIN is harder to carry off sucessfully, and the few people who still tank on it, take that challange and use it to get the most out of a game as old as this one.


who cares if you have 80million PLDs, that doesnt change the fact that NIN is a better tank on some mobs.

[Nattack]

i dont know why i always fall for trolls, it must be my natural affinity to argue.