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Since this seems to be a perpetual situation, whereby new Monks (and old) don't like to spend the time to make gil or, perhaps, simply don't know how, let's make a topic to spread around a little free information. There are more than a few ways to make gil, by the way, I'll note those that I'm actually familiar with and that have worked for me.



Targeted Farming

Most people are familiar with this concept. Find an item or a mob and stalk all instances of it in a particular place. Popular examples, and ones that have worked for me, include:
-Beehive Chips around Windurst and Bastok
-Silk Thread in Sarutabaruta
-Ram Horns and Skins in Konschtat Highlands
-Boyahda Moss and Tree Clippings in Pashhow Marshlands and the Sanctuary of Zi'Tah
-Slime Oil in Korroloka Tunnel
-Gigas in Delkfutt's Tower (back when the gil drops meant good money, no longer viable)

The pros of this method are that you have a very easy barometer to mark your progress by, e.g., just 5 more Moss to complete this stack. It makes it easy to plan how much you need to get done to reach a goal. On the flip side, it can get quite frustrating when you're trying to get that last drop. Also, due to the anti-gil-seller rules, you have to zone every hour or two or your drop rate goes straight to hell.

Kill Everything

This is my preferred method of generalized farming. I slaughter anything that moves. In general, I will target mobs with drops that are actually worth something, but any mob can be a source of income. For example, while doing some Harvesting in Giddeus (which netted me several hundred thousand gil for virtually no effort), I killed Yagudo. I could have killed bees, but the Clothcraft ingredients I was harvesting were taking up too much room and I wanted to retain them.

NM Camping

There are two ways to camp an NM: the desperate way and the smart way.

The desperate way involves gambling your fortune and happiness on not only getting the claim on a heavily camped NM (e.g. Hoo Mjuu the Torrent, Valkurm Emperor, Mee Deggi the Punisher) but also getting the somewhat rare drop. Patient people have made a lot of money for themselves by camping daily, unlucky people have nearly lost their minds. I don't recommend NM camping of the desperate sort.

The smart way to camp an NM is to camp everything around it, too. I'll use Giddeus as an example. Bring some Sickles and Harvest, set a timer for the respawn of the placeholder, and kill the local mobs for gil-drops, armor drops, Beastcoins, Beehive Chips, and what have you. Even if the NM spawns and you get the claim and the drop, you'll still have made money while you were waiting. I have a personal favorite that can potentially net me several million for a few hours of camping, but guarantees at least a few hundred thousand. Is 400k as satisfying as 3 million? No, but it's a lot better than spending six hours only to watch the NM you've been stalking get claimed by someone else and, in the end, you have nothing to show for it by frustration.

Crafting

Not for the faint of heart, crafting requires capital, dedication, research, and cleverness. With a relatively inexpensive craft like Cooking or Alchemy, you can build up capital and learn the ins and outs of using the market to graduate onto a more expensive, but more profitable, craft, such as Smithing, Clothcraft, or Goldsmithing. I'm not a crafting expert, so I won't delve into this too far.

Synthesis Farming

Suppose you have Alchemy skill but not sufficient skill to create a sustainable income from it? Farm smart by killing Bees and transmuting the Beehive Chips yourself for greater profit and utility. I am a bit of a novice Clothcrafter and I farm Manticore Hair to process into Kaginawa for ease of sale and increased profits. Getting cloth armor drops worth relatively little on the AH or at vendor, I can desynth into materials and either sell those or craft them into something more profitable. Taking Kyahan from Yagudo and making them into a Kenpogi +1 is very satisfying.

BCNM and ENM

Don't let Seals collect dust the way that I do, use them. If you solo on EP+ mobs, you'll have a lot of these. They are a gold mine. ENMs are even better, since you can do them without needing to collect X number of Seals first. Make friends and mutually benefit, target battles that will net greater profits than the same-old-same-old. Everyone does Steamed Sprouts or the Worm's Turn, you can make a fortune from doing the BCNMs for RSE2. Again, it's a matter of being prudent about it.

Gardening and Other Methods

Back when I had more playtime, I spent a lot of time using my mules to garden and screw with the AH. It wasn't always the most reliable method, but it did make me several million and bought my Scorpion Harness, among other things. Remarkably, these almost require more dedication than other pursuits, especially gardening, as you need to check in at certain times. I made money as a newbie by selling scrolls from the magic shop on the AH, take advantage of others' stupidity. Buy low, sell high, pocket the profit and smile.


Why Monk farms so well:

We have an advantage over other jobs. High HP and VIT, Counterattack, Chakra, and buffs without negative side effects make Monk one of the most adept solo'ing, and thus farming, jobs in the game. There is no reason not to go out and exercise the fists a little, get some Guard skillups, and hone your timing on job abilities and their uses. Here's a breakdown of the three major support jobs one would use while out farming:

/Thief: Certainly the most obvious choice. Evasion Bonus, Gilfinder, and Treasure Hunter are integral to hunting things that are significantly lower in level. The downfall of this is that it doesn't offer terribly much in the way of survivability when fighting mobs closer to one's level. About the highest I'm willing to farm at level 75 with Thief sub is a level 60 mob, but certainly no NMs of that level. Mug and Steal are nice, Flee provides a good emergency move as well as a rapid means of getting to where you need to be. All in all, the most utilitarian sub one can have. Best used when farming for common items, Treasure Hunter I has a minimal impact on rare items and NM drops.

/Warrior: Before level 30 or when in need of Provoke, this is a good sub to pack. Don't fall into the trap that farming necessarily requires Treasure Hunter, if you're choosing to camp an NM like Leaping Lizzy, you're better off being able to make the claim than gambling to get the drop.

/Ninja: My personal favorite, with even Utsusemi: Ichi, you can fight things significantly more difficult than you would normally be able to face with other subs. With Evasion gear and Utsusemi: Ni, you have the ability to perform such feats as solo'ing Serket and other less HNMs. Some would argue that the lack of Treasure Hunter means you'll be wasting your time. My collection of Rare/Ex items and my record on Siren's Hair drops would like to say otherwise.


What to Wear

Focus primarily on sustainability. Evasion, Counter, VIT, and AGI are your best friends when fighting low level mobs. Middle level mobs would certainly benefit from some extra STR and Attack to increase the kill speed. Good options in the middle levels include things like Aikido Gi, Earth/Gaia Doublet, Royal Knight's Aketon, Avenger's Earrings, Dodge Earrings, and Combat Caster's Slacks. Garden Bangles are a nice addition later on for both the Regen effect and the HP and VIT. If you're fighting particularly tough mobs, don't be shy about using some food to increase your stats. Navarin is a good choice for a minor melee boost and some added Evasion, basic tank food like Fish Mithkabobs will work well, too.

Use Your Time Wisely

Let's be honst, Monks are not going to be instantly invited to parties through their careers. There have been times I've gotten an invite just as I logged on and times I've spent hours sitting in my Mog House while mostly AFK reading. If you have time to log in and do nothing, spend that time farming or crafting or playing the AH. It's very easy to put "HP: Jeuno OK".


I welcome other additions to this list, as well as refinements on what I've mentioned. These are just general ideas that, basically, boil down to spending 5 minutes thinking instead of 5 hours doing. Remember, too, you don't have to make money alone. Get a static group and farm Phomiuna Aqueducts for Balloon Cloth and Shakudo Ingots, for example. There's no reason for any player not to have a relatively ready amount of gil at hand. No one expects every player to have a Peacock Charm, but it doesn't hurt to better oneself. Finally, don't be afraid to invest in your future earning potential. I sold my ninjutsu and teleport scrolls knowing full well I'd need them later. Why sell them? Because I could make the money back at a higher level with greater ease than I could as a level 30.
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pathwriter :
I have a personal favorite that can potentially net me several million for a few hours of camping, but guarantees at least a few hundred thousand. Is 400k as satisfying as 3 million? No, but it's a lot better than spending six hours only to watch the NM you've been stalking get claimed by someone else and, in the end, you have nothing to show for it by frustration.


(I'm Interested.) PM me? ^^;

I have my own farm spots, but as of late, they have become... "popular."

edit: Btw, sticky this someone. I'll /tell a mod in game.

double edit: Dyire to the rescue.
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nice guide
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Also, due to the anti-gil-seller rules, you have to zone every hour or two or your drop rate goes straight to hell.


i never heared of this.... explains why i never get a travelers mantle anymore >.>

as for the rest of it its all good, im considering heading into giddeus and lowering the yagudo population there, silver beastcoins @ 10k per stack.. (Yes please), not much money for the higher lvl ppl, but when 100-200k will buy me a ful set of armour or get me enough money to continue lvlin WW its a good option, plus who doesnt like killing yagudo???
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In fact, Blaize, I can still make a good ratio of gil-per-hour in Giddeus. Just being level 75 doesn't change that, it makes it easier. It's just that there are more profitable ventures elsewhere, too.

I'll do what I can to update this, Dyire, when I'm more lucid.
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this is more for higher levels and i guess depending on ur server also but Castle Zvahl Baileys/Keep is excellent farming ground.

On Fairy:
Ahriman Wings: 35-40k
Demon Horns: 30-45k each
Coffer Chests
Dark Clusters

this can be done with /NIN sub or i find it alot more fun to bring along a mage friend so atleast u have some1 to chat with while farming.

Also if u have a high level bonecraft friend and a mage you can farm Wyverns in Ifrits Cauldron. Can be taken easily with 3 people and just let him get the skulls to craft and you get the Wyvern pieces.
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Very nice guide, Ono ^-^

I think a lot of people only look at certain areas, when I believe pretty much any mob can be efficiently farmed. Buyers will always exist to buy what you farm. Back when I was 38(about 13 months ago) I farmed Wild Onions in the Ruins outside Windurst. There's so many Goblin Thugs around and the drop rate for onions is incredible; I had heard it was a tweaked drop rate because of some windy quest. Anyway, within a few trips at 4.5k a stack, I was able to buy my Jujitsu Gi for 170k. Also how my sis bought her Monster Signa.

Crafting, like how Nightbreed put it, also adds to the farming. Like if a cook was the one farming these onions, then making something(possibly HQ'ing it) and returning an even bigger range of profit.

heh, I know what you mean by "playing the AH" but also scalping sucks ><

Here's an example of how lazy(stupid/ignorant?) people are...

In Windurst Woods, if I need to synth something for GP, I usually buy the skins from AH and craft the leather with distilled water and tae leaves from NPCs. A NPC just North a bit of the AH in Woods sells Distilled Water for 10-13gil each. So a stack from her is like 120-156gil whereas on the Windy AH it costs 5k a stack.

Kinda side-tracked from Monk farming... >_____>
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Umm... I have like 350 beastman seals... only once did I do a BCNM and notwith my orb ^^;

I have War at 40 and I was just wondering... with a lvl 60 monk and a lvl 40 WAR, what BCNM would be more effective for me to throw my seals in?

Considering price and such, and also that one uses 60 seals and the othe uses 40 tongue.gif
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Because im bored at work on 4th of July sad.gif

Farming the Castle Zvahl Keep.

Start in the Yagudo room:

Yagudo Chanter - Scroll: Carnage Elegy
- There are 2 Chanter spawns in this area. One will appear in the first room and the second will appear in the third room.
- Kill the 2 and move on.

Next you wanna head up to the room with four Morbid Eye spawns.
Kill the four eyes for Wings, Tears and Chest Keys. If you do get a key I recommend taking a quick look for the chest because I usually wind up getting quite a few keys per run.

Next take the Portal in the center of the room and you will be in a room of Demons here is where you wanna start killing the PH to pop the NM's.

1st Room: Kill the Demon Knight and take the next portal up.
2nd Room: Kill Demon Wizard and take the next portal up.
3rd Room: Kill Demon Warlock (Also drop Ice Spirit Pact)
*Instead of taking the portal again fall down and kill the 2 Demon Pawns on the NW ledge.

There are 4 NM Spawn possibilities one will pop on the NW ledge where you kill the two Demon Pawn NM's. The other three will pop in the room where you kill their respective PH.

Drops Include:
Demon Horn, Skull, Axe, Absorb-Dex, Dark Spirit Pact Aeroga III, Thundaga II, Demons Axe, Goshisho's Scythe,

Rinse and Repeat.

The highest tier gobs also drop Gold Beastcoins and the Goblin Enchanters drop Gold Ingots so you may wanna take a detour and kill some or at the end of your farming run clear the gob rooms out a few times.
*When you see the iron gate with a Goblin Trader behind it you have reached the end of worthwhile gobs.

Also can farm Baileys Coffer Mobs but those are sometimes a little annoying alone, and the Keep is usually empty, while the coffer mobs are often hunted by key parties or other people farming.
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Nightbreed, what level needed for what you said?
And how much gil/hr have you experienced?

THF sub?
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Nightbreed :
Because im bored at work on 4th of July sad.gif

Farming the Castle Zvahl Keep.

Start in the Yagudo room:

Yagudo Chanter - Scroll: Carnage Elegy
- There are 2 Chanter spawns in this area. One will appear in the first room and the second will appear in the third room.
- Kill the 2 and move on.

Next you wanna head up to the room with four Morbid Eye spawns.
Kill the four eyes for Wings, Tears and Chest Keys. If you do get a key I recommend taking a quick look for the chest because I usually wind up getting quite a few keys per run.

Next take the Portal in the center of the room and you will be in a room of Demons here is where you wanna start killing the PH to pop the NM's.

1st Room: Kill the Demon Knight and take the next portal up.
2nd Room: Kill Demon Wizard and take the next portal up.
3rd Room: Kill Demon Warlock (Also drop Ice Spirit Pact)
*Instead of taking the portal again fall down and kill the 2 Demon Pawns on the NW ledge.

There are 4 NM Spawn possibilities one will pop on the NW ledge where you kill the two Demon Pawn NM's. The other three will pop in the room where you kill their respective PH.

Drops Include:
Demon Horn, Skull, Axe, Absorb-Dex, Dark Spirit Pact Aeroga III, Thundaga II, Demons Axe, Goshisho's Scythe,

Rinse and Repeat.

The highest tier gobs also drop Gold Beastcoins and the Goblin Enchanters drop Gold Ingots so you may wanna take a detour and kill some or at the end of your farming run clear the gob rooms out a few times.
*When you see the iron gate with a Goblin Trader behind it you have reached the end of worthwhile gobs.

Also can farm Baileys Coffer Mobs but those are sometimes a little annoying alone, and the Keep is usually empty, while the coffer mobs are often hunted by key parties or other people farming.


that i really dont know sad.gif

I started doing this when my PLD was 71 and i usually either bring my WHM friend along who subs THF or just Dual Box myself and him. As for the gil per hour it really all depends some nights are excellent but some nights can be really bad. Last night for example i was there about 2 hours 1NM popped and dropped skull only. So after 2 hours of farming i walked away with:

Ahriman Wings- 4 ~ 160k
Ahriman Tears - 1stack ~ 20k
Foe Requiem V - 2 ~ 10k
2 Chests - Gil ~ 18k
Black Mitts - 1 ~ 5k
Skull - 1 ~ 5k
4x Mythril Beastcoins - Stolen from Yags

But some nights i get 5 wings in a row so it all really depends on if SE wants to be nice to u or not lol
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i wnat 2 knwo how 2 maek teh l33t gillz w/ no eefort! LOLOLZ!!1

Seriously though, nice thread here. I'd rate you up if I could. I need to raise my cooking more (level 51).
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Is there a good place to farm for a 41 monk? With decent goodies?
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I mean, without being in the low level areas..
or.. like something that could own me while /healing
like something decent where it takes time to kill but not something that could do like 20+ a swing
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YoshiMoro :
Is there a good place to farm for a 41 monk? With decent goodies?
Edit:
I mean, without being in the low level areas..
or.. like something that could own me while /healing
like something decent where it takes time to kill but not something that could do like 20+ a swing


I'd recommend Giddeus, but I always recommend that. When I was level 41, I actually solo'd quite a bit of XP on the Yagudos in the front of Castle Oztroja and made a decent bit of gil by selling Invisible scrolls when they dropped. Dangerous to /heal there, though. Goobbues and Leeches in Passhow might work for you, but I like to personally slaughter things rapidly rather than take time to do so, hence why I like Giddeus. Practically every mob in that zone is some form of income.
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I must commend Pathwriter on this guide, it is well written and gives some great ideas. For some of my own input:

Back when I had more playtime, I spent a lot of time using my mules to garden and screw with the AH. It wasn't always the most reliable method, but it did make me several million and bought my Scorpion Harness, among other things


I highly recommend to everyone to take up Gardening. Its quick, cheap, easy, and takes very little effort (a quick check once a day is perfect) to do. Even the worst crop yields will more than likely double your money. In fact I paid for my Brown Belt, Jujitsu Gi, 2x Snipers, and Cross Counters almost exclusively with money made from Gardening.

Leveling some crafts to help make farming more efficient is also a great strategy I have come to learn recently. The more money making options available to you the better. WW, CC, Alchemy, Cooking, Leather, and Bone are all relatively cheap crafts to get to mid-levels, and can all turn decent profits at that stage.

Mining Gusgen is another very lucrative option. A 75 WHM in my LS makes all their money and has great gear and every spell doing this. As Pathwriter mentioned, Harvesting and farming Giddeus is also very profitable. A BLM friend of mine funded all the HQ Elemental Staves using this method.

In other words, making money in this game isn't incredibly difficult. There are many relatively quick and simple ways to make it, you just have to go out and do it. Don't sit there and think of the huge amount of gil you need and fret over it. Just say to yourself "I'm gonna go to xxxxx spot for 2 hours and do xxxx activity to make some money." Creating short term goals for making money will relieve much of the anxiety of the "big number" and make it easier to accomplish your long term goal.

All the effort you put in will be well worth it when you are out there kicking major ass and turning heads, trust me.
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Umm... owwie.
I gave Castle Zvahl a shot without reading the following post about how you did it with a 71 PLD/WAR + 71?WHM/THF duo... so I went out as a lone 71 MNK/NIN. ><
I think the lowest HP I ever hit was 62, and I killed a Morbid Eye on just about 110 HP. I had a LOT of close calls, but I never died... but on the downside, I didn't really make any money, either. =(
I really missed that thief sub, I did about 10 Morbid Eyes, a few weaker demons, a Dark Elemental, and a few of the high-tier goblins... all I got was an Ahriman Lens, a chest key, and a Dark Cluster. So definitely, bring a friend to cure you!!

-Dakren
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Great guide!
I'm currently leveling MNK on the side, and was wondering how good they can farm/solo. This should be stickied in every forum room. biggrin.gif
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What the heck happened to the thread? Methinks someone needs to fix a tag in their sig... Anyway, I recommend that any MNK (or player, for that matter) looking to make some decent cash should definitely invest money into crafting. I really cannot see any sort of decent cash flow coming from farming alone unless you put in a lot of hours. For example, the easiest way for me to make gil is to take raw materials and synth into materials that are used by higher-level crafters. Study a craft and its subcrafts, examine the costs of skilling it up (try not to powerlevel; you'll just burn more gil), and get to a level where you can make items that are inexpensive to synth but sell for a good profit.
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Shinobinchu :
pathwriter :
I have a personal favorite that can potentially net me several million for a few hours of camping, but guarantees at least a few hundred thousand. Is 400k as satisfying as 3 million? No, but it's a lot better than spending six hours only to watch the NM you've been stalking get claimed by someone else and, in the end, you have nothing to show for it by frustration.


(I'm Interested.) PM me? ^^;


Me too.
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