[Kairobi]

Hmmm. I've been listening to the arguements about this compass/moon/day stuff for a while now. Personally, I think it's worth the 1 second it takes to change direction for a full inv of synths and the POSSIBILITY of more skillups/HQs/working synths. I don't know what to think, but I follow it because it MIGHT work, not because 'm3 IZ D4 Ub3r v00d00-Cr4aft0rzz' or anything, it just makes me feel better about using more expnsive ingredients

EDIT: *tags page 3*

[Rezer]

Brennon :
< heres another veteran crafter that things this is voodoo nonsense. same with day/moonphase/time of day/etc, for the record.

Seems to me day and moon phase have been pretty much verified to make a large difference:

http://www.spielmansmog.com/guides/hqsynth.php

[godzillaman]

[Brennon]

Rezer :

Brennon :
< heres another veteran crafter that things this is voodoo nonsense. same with day/moonphase/time of day/etc, for the record.

Seems to me day and moon phase have been pretty much verified to make a large difference:

http://www.spielmansmog.com/guides/hqsynth.php

Ohhh look, purty web page with lots of numbers! looks like math! must be true!~

[Teffy]

cold hard statistical facts mean nothing.....

[xurion]

When do we ge to the point of having to agree that their possibly could be a factor of day or moon type..?

I mean, if this guy did really do 2304 synths and has the results to show us, how many more synths would it take to convince people that say "Shut up, day and moon don't matter"?

I am sitting on the wall about this one.

[Bluthund]

I don't know about the whole compass thing, but i definitely think that day of the week and moon make a difference. I've noticed I get more breaks on full moon and less on the other two main phases.

[Burruss]

I've always been on the fence on this topic. I probably always will be. There have been times when I got better skill ups facing success direction, some times I get better skill ups HQ direction. Long story short: Arguing this topic is alot like having a pissing contest during a wind storm. Everybody will laugh at somebody else.

[xurion]

Burruss :
I've always been on the fence on this topic. I probably always will be. There have been times when I got better skill ups facing success direction, some times I get better skill ups HQ direction. Long story short: Arguing this topic is alot like having a pissing contest during a wind storm. Everybody will laugh at somebody else.

qft

[Gdogg]

OMFG i fkd this one up, i got to cloth 60 and was holding my compas chart with east up. lmao

[Seraphym]

tommygunnz :
You're probably one of those 100 cooks who thinks you are a real crafter i bet huh lol?

Seems to me that you and the other Tom have lots of dumbness in common.

[Syco316]

It's a placebo. Whether it actually helps or not doesn't matter. If they feel it works for them that's good. I personally feel it helps.

[Won-ton]

I think day and moon matter but I treat direction like a superstition. If it matters, what happens when you synth on a boat/ship?

[viEtboiz]

I dont believe in all these Moon phrase - etc, But i do believe that Element days might help with crafting. Im a Smithing and Goldsmithing(Mule) - I made 6/11 Triump Earring 1/2 Triump Earring+1 1/1 Hvn Earring+1 Last week during Darkday. Mostly only day i plan to craft. I tryed Diff days like Wind Ice etc I never get more then 2-3 HQ even if i have 4-5 Stacks of Stuff. In my Believe that Days Does help with HQ rate fyi but thats just my thing that i believe in. I know most of you will Crafting With Fullmoon/Newmoon Darkday mostly. But moon phrase dont make a Diff on HQ Rate is the Days you craft in.

I did make a Test Earlier with my 100 Smithing. Got Ing for 3 Stacks of Curse muffier. #1 1/12 HQ Winday - #2 0/12 Lightday #3 3/12 Darkday .. So my thinking is still Darkday give better HQ Rate.

[xurion]

Ships still have directions. The map at the back of the airship room where everyone is always to the south. Not that it matters.

[Avarghaladion]

Originally, direction was not a factor but for several years now it has been. Direction is an important controllable factor and the generally accepted knowledge of how it should be used is, for the most part, accurate. A lot of what some people think is voodoo is actually on the right track.. just in different ways than people think. Furthermore, without a good knowledge of how other factors effect crafting results, any actual testing is flawed. SE's crafting system, as a whole, is actually pretty funny in a cruel/diabolical way lol.

Take anything high level crafters say with a grain of salt, we either don't know or we're trying to stop people from learning so they don't dig into the profit. In either case, its important to discover a lot of the stuff on your own to truly understand it (getting a little education in the right direction helps a lot though). Its a lot easier if you have friends and mentors to learn with and to help you learn, test, and share ideas (in private... no one is gonna give out good information about crafting on a public forum o.O). At any rate, I myself will generally always post in forums that crafting is voodoo (even this post has omissions) partially because it placates the people who lack the drive to find answers the hard way, and partially because I'm hoping that some people will notice that a lot of the most successful crafters either keep their mouths shut or they'll just tell people that its all random and voodoo... which it is... ;D

If there's anyone out there who actually wants to work hard and learn, you can feel free to PM me and bounce your ideas/questions off me. I'm obviously not gonna outright give you solutions, but I won't lie in private chat so it would definitely be helpful. I just really like talking about crafting ^^

[xurion]

Avarghaladion :
no one is gonna give out good information about crafting on a public forum o.O

That's funny. I thought I just saw a whole forum of help and advice.

[renzuko]

When do we ge to the point of having to agree that their possibly could be a factor of day or moon type..?

I mean, if this guy did really do 2304 synths and has the results to show us, how many more synths would it take to convince people that say "Shut up, day and moon don't matter"?

I am sitting on the wall about this one.

i dont think it's a matter of ammount of synths to get them to shut up, i think it's a matter of getting terry tate to tackle them to get them to shut up, and possibly break a few ribs

though i guess i shouldnt really talk, i belieave in this voodoo bullshit, but it doesnt really hurt me to spend a few seconds trying to face the right direction anyway

[Avarghaladion]

That's funny. I thought I just saw a whole forum of help and advice.

Ya but a lot of the advice we give (though kind and helpful) is really just in response to stuff like simple hq tier questions, or people asking stuff like "what craft should I do." Having read all the crafting threads before, there are very few that even begin to help people be more successful crafters. This is also true for the crafting forums on other sites. Especially in the recent years' posts, any attempts for people to ask reasonable questions about the effect environmental factors have on synthesis result are shot down immediately by successful, veteran crafters' insistence that its all "voodoo."

That being said, however, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. There's no need for people to be handed answers and it would hurt profits for other people who have worked hard to find answers for themselves (especially when there are hints throughout various forums, hard to find though they may be). I just don't like the idea of someone asking "What's a good direction or day for this?" and getting "You're a tard that's all voodoo" as a response. Since I like crafting, it'd be nice if we could actually talk about real crafting without it becoming a flame war.

i dont think it's a matter of ammount of synths to get them to shut up, i think it's a matter of getting terry tate to tackle them to get them to shut up, and possibly break a few ribs

though i guess i shouldnt really talk, i belieave in this voodoo bullshit, but it doesnt really hurt me to spend a few seconds trying to face the right direction anyway

Depending on how the data is collected, someone could collect a million synths of inconclusive data, so people are correct when they lol @ people claiming to have conclusive results with pure raw data and no distinctive model. This is epecially true when people try to test one variable in one way while failing to take into consideration a) that that variable may not effect outcome exactly as is commonly believed (eg. direction, stave use + resistance, moon "phase," weather, etc.) and b ) that other variables (outside of one's direct control) are effecting results (eg. time). Its important for people to have overall models with which they can test different variables for tests to be successful. While it is possible to find solutions doing blind testing, its a very masochistic approach with limited valuable results.

[xurion]

i dont think it's a matter of ammount of synths to get them to shut up, i think it's a matter of getting terry tate to tackle them to get them to shut up, and possibly break a few ribs

though i guess i shouldnt really talk, i belieave in this voodoo bullshit, but it doesnt really hurt me to spend a few seconds trying to face the right direction anyway

Yay for rib-breaking the craft newbz.

And yeah, there's no reason to not at least face the way you think will help. What's the worst that could happen..?