[emol]

Everyone always says that once a thf reaches lvl 15 they won't have money problems anymore... well i got to 15 and got my treasure hunter ability and was kind of expecting to get tons of items per kill the way people were talking... but i don't

So how exactly does this help me make money? I'm not really noticing increased amounts of drops. I know that it'll help me get the rare drop from NM's but I hope that's not the only thing treasure hunter is good for.

[Sharktooth]

Treasure hunter helps in the sense that it increases the probability of a monster to drop rare items. so maybe it will help you in quests like the subjob quest / kazham airship pass quest etc...

Edit: at lvl 5 you get gilfinder right? that actually helps a lot too, when you go killing beastmen of course. Treasure hunter is good for getting drops, but you dont always get want you want / need. Try stealing more often .

To test you treasure hunter skills, try killing amethyst quadavs and see how many backplates you can get per 20 amethyst quadavs.... I clear the whole palborough mines and usually get 4, and I dont have treasure hunter. If you actually get more than ten, then the treasure hunter you have has greatly helped.

[stigger]

Treasure Hunter doesn't necessarily get you more items (altho sometimes it does seem that). It seems as more frequent items.

Treasure Hunter 2 i was expecting to find like 30 Emperor Hairpins from killing a rarab (j/k), but its just an upgrade from TH1. Altho weak at first, I eventually did realize a difference. Hunting for that stupid Leaping Lizzie I found around 50+ Lizard Tails in the process. Almost every Rock Lizard would give me a tail.

Also... crystals... wow... we were getting atleast 3-5 crystals for every kill in Crawlers Nest.

(Edit: I think that has something to do with how many ppl have Signet too though)

[Kletian999]

I started leveling a samurai sub job last week, and I got an enemy to drop something MAYBE once ever 7 enemies. My thief always gets something dropped within 3 enemies. Not only that, but it becomes a lot easier to find uncommon drops like gob equipment and Quadav backplates to sell. People without treasure hunter just don't find those items very often.

Also, most monsters only drop one thing at a time; worms, yagudos, bees, and sheep are the most often to drop multiple items, but even then it doesn't happen often, once again, non-thieves almost never see multiple drops.

[Dragonhope]

Crystals are completely dependant on how many people in the party have signet cast on them. If all 6 have signet, the most crystals you can get per fight is 6. If one person doesn't have signet, the most is 5, etc. As for TH being a help...yes. It does help quite a bit. If you kill a 100 orcs in Ghelsba, you'd find maybe..1 or 2 equipments they drop (scale, leather, etc). With TH, you'd find at least 5. Ok..you'd probably find more then that but that's just rough comparison. TH indeed DOES help.

[Kosmos]

Well TH does work well. I hunted Lizards in dunes w/ WAR. I killed ~33 of them. I didn't get a single skin drop.

Enter my RDM friend, she subs a level 16 THF. She clears about 25 or so Lizards and had a stack of skins. I cried when I heard about that and thus began my arduous task of leveling my own TH THF

[Dragonhope]

TH 2 works even better

Just two days ago I was in farming Yagudos for silver beastcoins (I was actually killing them for the coins instead of trying to steal from the harder ones). I would make big chains since it was more fun to do it this way. In a few hours, I ended up with around 15 silver beastcoins (1 or 2 were stolen I think). Not to mention the level 50 WHM ( I think their name was Zara?) my friend and I invited into the PT since they were looking for Yagudo beads. I think they went home happy with all the yagudo beads that dropped that day ^^

[Orage]

Heh, well, I was having issues getting Elshimo Marble so that I could get Teleport Yhoat. Got a lvl 50 thf friend to come and in 2 hours or so we had marbles for the entire party *boggle*. So i'm a believer. Granted it was th2, but even th1 helps a lot.

[Misster]

i have 25 thief and yesterday i was lvling my drk just got 2 lvls yesterday from lvl 43-45 ^ ^
we found one of the lvl caps items from the beelte. its a piece of clay. there was only 1 thief
there? lol guesss who??.. me 45drk/22thf ^ ^ we got lots of earth crystals and lots of beetle claws and shells... TH reallys works.

ps: a tip to steal. When you prepare to steal let the mob attack first then steal !!!! really works
don't steal in the begaining ^ ^ slow and steady wins the race !

[Kletian999]

I've

noticed when farming in Sarutabaruta and Gustaberg that when I used my Boomerang to One-hit

kill enemies that they seemed to drop much less often, as if Treasure hunter hadn't kicked

it. I didn't used to feel this descrepancy when it would take 2 or more throws (even when

I never engaged the enemy). Anyone else see this?

an Example from Gustaberg
12

worms with boomerang (2 flintstones)
5 worms with dagger (4 flintstones 1 copper)

[Dragonhope]

You

guys are missing something about Treasure Hunter it seems like to me. Treasure Hunter does

NOT mean 100% drop rate. Your level STILL effects how often items will drop. Meaning if

you solo Even Match monsters, there's a higher % drop rate in terms of items (I don't mean

crystals). So if you one shot monsters, it's not actually TH not kicking in but your high

level restricting you from getting as much drops as you normally would.

Also the ram

thing...that's invalid. Because the Ram drops randomly from 0-7 (maybe 8 or 9 or more)

items at a time. Regardless of whether you have TH or not. The only way TH will help in

that situation is increase the odds slightly in your favour that more items will drop.

Getting the last hit means didly squat from what i've noticed.

Think about a coin.

It has a heads and a tails. So if you flip the coin 10 times, it should be heads 5 times

and tails 5 times...but we all know that doesn't happen. Sometimes, it can be 6 heads and

4 tails or even 10 heads and no tails at all. It's all based on luck. Having Treasure

Hunter is like giving you a better ability to judge whether the coin will land as heads or

tails.

[Dragonhope]

[

quote]Myskhal :
I never thought TH or TH2 was 100% drop rate. I've killed many

many monsters and not had any goodies drop. About the "last hit" thing, I was just

sharing my experience in case others wanted to try it out and see the results. If nothing

else, me getting the last hit certainly won't *decrease* the drop rate.

There have

been times when I've gotten only one or two items when soloing Rams, or the Yagudo/Quadav/

Orcs have not dropped the key I wanted. TH still is going to help overall and that % drop

rate increase is nice no matter how exactly it works.
[/quote]

I'm glad that

you didn't take my post as a flame because i'm just trying to clear misconceptions. And

you're right, TH helps over all. It doesn't work on the last hit though from what I

noticed...mainly since I rarely get the last hit and I usually find the same amount of

treasures to drop as when I do get the last hit.

[Wyld]

When I sub

THF and go out hunting too weak/easy check elementals I see some 1 cluster drops, mostly 2

cluster drops, and rarely I'll get 3 off each ele. Seems that when I get caught out with

my PT sub BLM I get 1 cluster nearly every time. Does it feel like the game has like a %

chance of item drop and keeps checking until it gets a no item result? And TH just widens

the % a bit? Sure is goofy to get 2 rabbit hides and a hare meat off the same bunny...



"Normally I don't skin prrrey until... afterrr." :O_o

[Dragonhope]

I'm

not sure what you mean...but I do know that i've had 2 rabbit hides and 1 hare meat drop

for me once or twice...I think I got 2 rabbit hides as well as 2 hare meat once...don't

remember.

[Wyld]

Half the

time I don't know what I mean either...

"Rrreow... hangoverrr..."

[Andre]

Piece of

clay? That's not a level cap item that I know of. The three level cap items for 50 drop of

Exorays (exoray mold), Liches (papyrus), and the bomb things in Garlaige (bomb coal). That

clay you got is probably for a quest or something.

[Kletian999]

Likewise, I know that TH doesn't make 100% drops, but I rarely encounter less than 1 drop

per 3 enemies. The fact that I kill 12 worms getting almost nothing then using a dagger got

the ores I was looking for plus more flints than I cared to have suggests that there is some

kind of difference. Either distance from the enemy, being engaged vs. not, or having your

main weapon do the last hit. I really hope level has nothing to do with drops as now I'm

worried that waiting for TH2 for Lizzie and Valkurm Emp might have backfired.

[Discordian]

/THF

is a good sub for many reasons, especially if you need to farm for a job that you are going

to take all the way. Thief 1 doesn't provide 100% drops but does add to the frequency just

like someone posted. I've had the same freak accident with encounterin mutant rabbits with

2 or three hides, unless they swallowed another rabbit.

rdm60/thf30 is what I'm

gunning for currently so that I have access to the following.
Gilfinder
Evasion

Bonus
Treasure Hunter 1
Trick Attack
Sneak Attack
Flee

If you go a long

way in any job thief sub is awesome. Its also ultra cool as a main when people do it right.

Unfortunatly people have only now started to like thieves on midgard.