[XnoXzempt]

Yeah, the only logical explanation for the loss of the .3% has to be rounding issues but even that doesn't make sense mathematically.
Sovereign has a good idea, submit this to SE, for all you know, it may just be a glitch in the -%physical damage reduction formula.

[NeoSuplex]

Jehryn: Your numbers for the Assumed discrepancy in written -% and Actual -% DO NOT ADD UP. All you did was use algebra and get an Average that would almost work for all of your displayed data. In order to get you numbers to work, you have to do selective rounding and accept certain numbers being off, that's why I'm not buying it. You aren't going to fool me with Junior High algebra.

Now, obviously the numbers aren't stacking through addition or multiplication in the way anyone thought. But, the written -% is the actual -%. (Except on the cape). Now, the diffrence between any methods are more distinct with more gear, so, what you need is a Red with a full set off Darksteel, the Staff, the Shield and the Ring. Also, you need to leave the cape out since it has special properties. You can't test for 2 Variables at once; that's called guessing.

[rambus]

Jehryn: Your numbers for the Assumed discrepancy in written -% and Actual -% DO NOT ADD UP. All you did was use algebra and get an Average that would almost work for all of your displayed data. In order to get you numbers to work, you have to do selective rounding and accept certain numbers being off, that's why I'm not buying it. You aren't going to fool me with Junior High algebra.

Now, obviously the numbers aren't stacking through addition or multiplication in the way anyone thought. But, the written -% is the actual -%. (Except on the cape). Now, the diffrence between any methods are more distinct with more gear, so, what you need is a Red with a full set off Darksteel, the Staff, the Shield and the Ring. Also, you need to leave the cape out since it has special properties. You can't test for 2 Variables at once; that's called guessing.

ok its quite simple i miss read soemthing get over it like you never misudertood me. anyways all i am saying get more then one test of each to make sure there is a flaw in these damage caluations. maybe something happends when its spread between 2 players and is rounded. and more items that do -% will be more off due to that rounding.

2 shudestions

1. run more tests of each facter to make sure the numbers are consistent.

2. buffer your hp and try to take the full 1000.

i would do both if i could but 1. i dont have any of these items yet and 2 i am a taru.

only thing i find odd is earth staff did what it was suppose to do but the others where slighty off

rereading i wnated to poitn out:

(a) 20% Earth Staff only: 400, 400, 400
( 10% Genbu's Shield only: 451, 450, 450
© 5% Jelly Ring only: 476, 475, 475
(d) 5% Cheviot Cape (daytime) only: 476, 475, 475
(e) 10% Cheviot Cape (nighttime) only: 453, 450, 450

c and d are the same so we are getting some consisty but e and b are off as well.

if both items are 10% why arnt they the same like c and d

[NeoSuplex]

Sorry to dig this back up, but I saw this and it made me a little curious... Any thoughts?

[Teslas]

rambus :
2 shudestions

[chickachamoneeeeey]

Like a previous poster asked - can anyone support this with proof like screenshots? I'm not suggesting this is a lie but I'd be interested in seeing some screenshots to back these numbers up.

[Teslas]

Information about circumstances, some of which doesn't matter

%physical gear:
Genbu's Shield "10%"
Jelly Ring "5%"

Stoneskin: not up, notice the damage done to me
Phalanx: also not up, the cactuar is hitting me for quite a bit

Serataru, a 53whm in my party just as a pin cusion
She is the only other person in range

85% of 500 damage is 425
actual damage taken: 427

This corresponds directly with jehryn's.



I apologize for breaking the page, too lazy to resize.

I would have gone out and tested this again, but I already had this picture lyring around. Also, fuck you for disbelieving what you can test yourself quite easily. I doubt the original poster would go through all of that effort to mislead us on something so small. If anything, it was a mistake, and a nearly impossible one to make from the evidence gathered.

Thanks again Jer, it was great of you to share what you found.

edit- also, I photoshopped those numbers in the bottom right hand of the screen after this picture was taken. It was a mistake, I do not condone the use of illegal 3rd party applications *cough*

[Raineer]

Rhyis. :
I've been naked with no buffs and not taken 1000 damage.

You weren't solo or you're lying.

The test is perfect, they didn't miss any variables or anything.

The only time that 1k needles could ever be resisted MAYBE in this game would be if I saw a Amigo Sabotender pet do it to Tiamat, who resists Spirits Within by 50%. It might do 500dmg to him.

NeoSuplex you need to just get laid or something because every insinuation you make in this thread is incorrect. Did Jehryn steal your girlfriend or something? You just seem pissed at him for some reason. Math is math dude, there ain't much to argue here.

[Morrolan]

Teslas :

rambus :
2 shudestions

I cried.

[Rocklee]

avatars some physical - attributes
in ballista i don't deal as much as i deal to other jobs~

[Sysrick]

My main question is, now that people have a good idea on how -Dmg% is calculated, can we find a cap for it? I'd like to load up with as much -Dmg% gear I can and have a go at it, but sadly, I am horribly poor.

[Teslas]

There probably isn't a cap on -physical% just like there isn't a cap on counter% (a mnk friend said 95% counter rate with stance) The only cap is the probably only the amount of gear available.

main: 20% (Earth/Terra's)
-or-
main: weapon
sub: 10% (Genbus)

head: 2% (HQ darksteel cap)
body: 3% (NQ darksteel harness HQ 4%?)
hands: 1% (NQ darksteel HQ 2%?)
back: 6% (umbra cape 12% at night?)
legs: 3% (HQ darksteel)
ring1: 5% (Jelly)
ring2: 10% (Defending)

with the base %'s added, that's 50% damage reduction. a FUCK ton.

with the ? %'s added, 58% at night with some HQ pieces that weren't on fairy AH

-10% if for genbu's instead of earthstaff

Granted, it's been shown that the displayed %'s aren't quite accurate, but this gives you a good idea of what might be possible. Good luck on getting a defending ring btw. And even though darksteel is damage reduction, other pieces of gear some slots would probably cause you to take less damage due to DEF or VIT. At any rate, 40% damage reduction on a red mage during the day is nothing to complain about.

[Goku]

Nice post.

Some people should stop bitching with their "Zomg he resisted the attack!!11one" or "Look at this, the guy took 2 dmg in more than he should".

My question though, is: Why is this on RDM Forums and not on FFXI Info, etc.?

[Sysrick]

Goku :
My question though, is: Why is this on RDM Forums and not on FFXI Info, etc.?

Because the OP is a Rdm and thought it would be the best here?

I don't know, that is a good question... Either way, total sticky.

[Teslas]

why are YOU on the rdm forums...

[Goku]

Teslas :
why are YOU on the rdm forums...

Because I like to other threads than NIN RNG WHM or MNK?

Because the tittle looked good and the thread is good?

Didn't know I needed to be RDM to look at RDM Forums dumbass.

Plus, the topic doesn't have anything to do with RDM except that the OP is RDM.

[Qbert]

thought id post these for refrence

http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=76118
http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=82549
http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=84533

[Icky]

Goku :
Plus, the topic doesn't have anything to do with RDM except that the OP is RDM.

I forgot, Phalanx totally doesn’t give damage resistence. Silly me.

[grey](Please go the fuck away.)[/grey]


Edit: Opps...almost forgot that all the other jobs can equip things like Genbu's shield and Cheviot cape.

[Goku]

lol. Why are you retard?

Phalanx doesn't have anything to do with the original topic since they didn't make a test with Phalanx, Stoneskin, or Blink.

Genbu's Shield and Cheviot Cap can be equip by severals job btw.

[Morrolan]

Goku. GTFO. Kthx.